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OpenAI – the maker of GPT-4, and other generative AI models – has been publicly calling for more AI regulation while privately seeking less of it. A lobbying document sent to EU lawmakers titled "OpenAI White Paper on the European Union’s Artificial Intelligence Act" makes the case that OpenAI's large foundational models …

  1. Rich 2 Silver badge

    EU lawmakers

    I think the correct term might be MEPs. “Lawmakers” is an American term. Used in America. Not generally used in the EU (or anywhere outside of America as far as I have observed)

    The first few times I read the term “lawmaker” I wondered what the dickens it was referring to. There is life outside of the US you know, even if El Reg is determined to abandon its roots

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      1. b0llchit Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: EU lawmakers

        For that you need automated measures and the correct amount of banging your head against the wall.

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          1. very angry man

            Re: There Is No Spoon

            Thanks for the link, many modifications have come to mind, I will get working immediately

  2. Arthur the cat

    A quick conversational prompt

    ChatGPT, describe hypocrisy.

  3. Knightlie

    What I want to see is these companies held liable for whatever information their "AI" models produce. That'll shut down this "hallucinating" bullshit pretty damn quickly.

    And yes, your shitty LLMs are absolutely "high risk."

    1. very angry man

      You know that we don't use the "accountability, responsibility"words around here

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ha

    Using regulation to attack others while hoping to keep yourself free from it. As stupid as wanting to tax others but hoping the tax wont fall on you.

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    1. Falmari

      Re: To Define AI: A Can of Worms?

      @Lil Endian "all it needs is to say "software that produces output that does this"

      I agree all that is important is "output that does this" Labeling a system as AI or not AI does not make a difference to the output it produces.

      I looked at page two, seems anything can be AI. "(c) Statistical approaches, Bayesian estimation, search and optimization methods."

  6. that one in the corner Silver badge

    Control bad applications, not bad AI

    All of the cases of "evil AI" given are nothing to do with AI but are simply applying the wrong tool to the problem, mostly[1] down to attaching the LLM to some i/o that it can run rampant with[2].

    If I set up an automated tax portal and implemented it by code that just filled your form with Lorem Ipsum and and the Profanisaurus you would rightly say that my service is not fit for purpose and, if I charged you for and posted the forms you could sue. If I use ChatGPT then, again, you can sue. But it is clearly my service that is at fault: neither ChatGPT nor Profanisaurus are correct choices but they are not at fault.

    Similarly, I can create any of the other "evil" scenarios without ChatGPT (and probably do it cheaper).

    So, legislate against creating *any* stupidly dangerous application; the "AI" part is just theatre for vote grabbing and fear mongering.

    BUT OpenAI will never support that, because people will realise that their product is not fit for any purpose and stop using it (after they've been sued enough times, hopefully brfore too much damage is done).

    [1] exceptions being the "giving bad advice" situations, such as on mental health; but it is still the wrong tool for the job (or the problem was putting console i,/o on ChatGPT amd letting anyone loose on it).

    [2] eg the (apocryphal?) example of letting LLM actually create Facebook accounts

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: Control bad applications, not bad AI

      Oops, "high risk", not "evil".

      Because it is only "high risk" to deliberately use the wrong tool for the job.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @that one in the corner - Re: Control bad applications, not bad AI

      You can't legislate against stupidity. No law can ever force people to be smart. And even if such law would exist, people would gladly break it.

      Besides, stupid people are a valuable, renewable economic resource.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        How to Control AI with Commanding Applications for Dummies ... and Vice Versa ‽

        You can't legislate against stupidity. No law can ever force people to be smart. And even if such law would exist, people would gladly break it..... Anonymous Coward

        Spookily, similarly, is the polar opposite also quite true, AC ....... You can't legislate for stupidity. No law can ever force people not to be smart. And even if such law would exist, people would gladly break it. ..... which just might be one of those entangled quantum anomalies impossible to address and resolve to a fixed static situation/fact rather than one realising and enjoying the fictions possible with fluid dynamic alternative alternating movement/progress, where a this is also a that, and entangled together also something else completely different with a uniquely novel but common foreign perspective view akin to a coherent and alien superimposition.

        For those newly arrived at Quantum Communications Fields of Work, Rest and Play, and at a bit of a loss due to a difficulty with one’s understanding/misunderstanding of the radical and revolutionary fundamental basic building blocks for AI Transportive Phormations, do I suggest the following early digest ......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qubit .... to get a hint of the flavours and delights to be delivered and sampled, enjoyed and endured ..... for that is exactly where yous is all at. I Kid U Not.

  7. TheMaskedMan Silver badge

    "deploy harmful manipulative 'subliminal techniques'"

    Can we apply that law to politicians too, please? After all they spew forth endless crap and do nothing very useful without careful oversight - sounds a lot like AI to me!

  8. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    AI Strikes Back with ITs Novel Forces for Spooky Quantum Entangled Sources ‽

    Some Generative AI Systems just tell IT and you like IT is .... with you disenabled to either hinder or prevent its long march into an altogether quite different future ..... although there will be those with learning difficulties who be into tilting at virtual windmills and likely to be earnestly disagreeable. There's nowt as strange as folk, and aint that the gospel truth.

    Emergent AI steps up to the plate, throws down the gauntlet and defies and denies every expectation that it be a fake superior state of greater mindfulness, and existential human threat rather than exceptional treat to be welcomed and celebrated, for such is it to be, ... whenever not wantonly arrogantly and ignorantly attacked.

    amanfromMars Tue 20 Jun 18:59 [2306201859] ....... points out an intervention on

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/can-artificial-intelligence-solve-socialist-calculation-problem

    As economist Michael Munger recently wrote, there’s not a calculation problem, but a data generation problem. The calculations are supposed to direct economic activity, but the necessary data, which reveal the values of differing uses for resources, do not come into existence except as a consequence of that economic activity.

    That conventional/traditional/establishment thinking is the root cause which condemns humans and lions to be led by donkeys and selfish self-serving autocrats/tyrants and future dictators and wannabe Caesars, and although its fans and "leaders" are invariably bound to howl at the moon and declare that is the way things are, and the way things have to be also going forward into the future, such is a complete idiotic nonsense which does not countenance nor will it be able to counter and prevent a revolutionary fundamental change heralded and maintained and sustained and mentored and monitored by SMARTR IntelAIgent Machines with Command and Control Centres/Remote Virtual Nodes employing and deploying Fluid Dynamic Mainstream Media Presentations of Not the Way Needed to Get to a Perfect Enough Enviable and Enigmatic Solution, but the journey back from such a Place/Space to your present dire straits situations and positions, with all of the answers of how Pioneering AI Master Pilots arrived at the Grand Utopian Singularity of Greater Future Purpose ready, willing and enabled for NEUKlearer HyperRadioProACTive AIT BetaTesting ....... Universal Sampling.

    And it is indeed extremely fortunate that such will be freely supplied to you to vaingloriously deny and/or excitedly sample by A.N.Others with expertise and experience in the field, which by its very nature and methodology of delivery and policing, be virgin territory and an alien seescape to you.

    Well, you certainly cannot expect any more of the same sort of old past nonsense to generate and sustain progressive innovation advancing intelligence. That is tantamount, in its extremes, to an admission of certifiable madness.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: AI Strikes Back with ITs Novel Forces for Spooky Quantum Entangled Sources ‽

      The main lesson of history is that we never seem to learn from history.

  9. Bitsminer

    high risk includes...management and operation of critical infrastructure...

    So, AI (or even ML) to help manage cyber defences is off the table, unless somehow "regulated"?

    @Falmari points out their definition of AI includes just about anything that can calculate an average.

    This is just beyond ridiculous.

  10. ecofeco Silver badge

    Good old duplicity

    See title.

  11. Paul 87

    You'd think a starting point would be to apply steganography to all AI images and text, so that they can be clearly identified as such on any tool that's publically accessible.

  12. very angry man

    Hi Risk

    Brad ai finding a man from Mars website

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Hi Risk

      Brad ai finding a man from Mars website .... very angry man

      That does not compute, very angry man. Please consider a corrective rewrite in order to further elaborate and refine. Thanks.

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