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The French recipient of Europe's largest ever seed round doesn't have a product and was founded four weeks ago. The few employees it has only started work in the last few days. All the same, Mistral AI hoovered up €105 million ($113 million) from lead investor Lightspeed Venture Partners with contributions from Eric Schmidt, …

  1. lglethal Silver badge
    Facepalm

    No product, no results, no details, just a cool name, and you too can rake in the millions!

    Welcome to the next Hype Bubble!!!

    Woohoo, let's all cheer for AI!!! We're going to be rich, because ..... AI!!!!

    1. MrAptronym

      But look at all the great, essential products we got from the cryptocurrency and NFT bubbles! Imagine what we would be missing out on if those hadn't succeeded like we all know they did.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Waiting for the AI Crash

      Shouldn’t be too long now.

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Windows

    "compared to $25 billion in the United States"

    Hmm. So they're throwing more money on the bonfire in the US.

    Well good for them. Apart from more promises, what are they getting out of it exactly ?

    1. Joe W Silver badge

      Re: "compared to $25 billion in the United States"

      It puts the money into circulation, which is a good thing. There's also (hopefully) some taxation involved, so the state will be happy :)

    2. yetanotheraoc Silver badge

      Re: "compared to $25 billion in the United States"

      "what are they getting out of it exactly ?"

      An AI that speaks French?

    3. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: "compared to $25 billion in the United States"

      Hey, there's a great deal of value in automating the production of unoriginal, uninteresting prose. Because, you know, um ... look, there just is. Take our word for it.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    As a French, I find the name is kind of a joke: «mistral» is a word from the south-east of the country, the name of a wind coming from the north-west. There's no mistral in Paris.

    Also, they might know some HTML, but they apparently don't know about laws: a professional website must include mandatory information about the company behind it, the «mentions légales», as it were.

    It would be rather sad if their first payment with those millions go to a 375000€ fine.

    https://entreprendre.service-public.fr/vosdroits/F31228/personnalisation/resultat?lang=&quest0=1&quest=

    1. Gordon 10
      Devil

      Quick - lets dob them in to the CNIL!

    2. Mike 137 Silver badge

      Same here

      "they apparently don't know about laws: a professional website must include mandatory information about the company behind it"

      That's the same in the UK, but very many businesses just ignore the law and it doesn't get policed.

    3. TimMaher Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: mistral.

      Could be worse.

      They could have called it sirocco.

      I had one once. Utter crap.

      Mine’s got the V60 keys in the pocket.

      1. Mark Exclamation

        Re: mistral.

        I had one once, too, the 1980s version. Best car ever!

    4. Potemkine! Silver badge

      As a French, I find the name is kind of a joke: «mistral» is a word from the south-east of the country, the name of a wind coming from the north-west. There's no mistral in Paris.

      Paris n'est pas la France

      1. jmch Silver badge

        Sirocco is, in fact, the exact opposite of Mistral, being a wind coming from the South-East.

        AFAIK Mistral is particularly a cold NW wind, with sirocco being a warm, humid/sticky wind carrying warm air from N. Africa that has picked up a lot of moisture over the sea. On the other hand, variations of 'mistral' and 'sirocco' are in use in other parts of the Mediterranean and N. Africa, having originally being used to express the direction, and only later being adapted to refer to a specific type of wind.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "the name of a wind coming from the north-west."

      A wind that can drive you insane, according to legend.

      1. ChoHag Silver badge

        Not a joke then?

  4. Arthur the cat Silver badge

    paying high prices to get a foot in the door of the latest tech gold rush

    Whenever anybody starts talking about gold rushes, I always remember that few prospectors made any money and only a tiny minority got rich, but the people who seriously cashed in were selling prospecting gear, food or sex.

    1. tmTM

      Re: paying high prices to get a foot in the door of the latest tech gold rush

      The guy has already been fleeced, he just doesn't know it yet.

      Money down the drain.

    2. Korev Silver badge
      Alien

      Re: paying high prices to get a foot in the door of the latest tech gold rush

      I always remember that few prospectors made any money and only a tiny minority got rich, but the people who seriously cashed in were selling prospecting gear, food or sex.

      Nvidia's share price has risen by ten times in the last few years :-)

      1. Jedit Silver badge
        Joke

        "Nvidia's share price has risen by ten times in the last few years :-)"

        I'm curious - did you eat the graphics card, or fuck it?

        1. A. Coatsworth Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: "Nvidia's share price has risen by ten times in the last few years :-)"

          YES

      2. mpi Silver badge

        Re: paying high prices to get a foot in the door of the latest tech gold rush

        When there is a gold rush: Start selling shovels.

  5. Lars Silver badge
    Happy

    A lot better than nothing

    Something similar in Britain and we would hear about the "world leading.." from Sunak and the rest.

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: A lot better than nothing

      we would hear about the "world leading.." from Sunak and the rest.

      An anagram of "world leading" is "ill downgrade". Seems about right for what successive governments have done to the tech industries in the UK.

    2. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Re: A lot better than nothing

      Something similar in Britain and we would hear about the "world leading.." from Sunak and the rest.

      Instead what the French are hearing today from Macron is:

      « Nous sommes en bonne position en Europe continentale, mais nous sommes un peu décrochés par les Britanniques, tandis que les Etats-Unis d'Amérique et la Chine vont beaucoup plus vite que nous »

      ("In mainland Europe we're in a good position, but the British are a little ahead of us, while the US and China are moving much faster than we are.")

      and « Le pire des scénario c'est une Europe qui investirait beaucoup moins que les Américains ou les Chinois et qui n'arriverait pas à créer de grands champions, mais qui déciderait de commencer par la régulation. » ("The worst scenario is that Europe invests less than the US and Chinese, and instead of creating champions decides to start with regulation")

      Oh, he knows his political colleagues so well...

    3. Efer Brick

      Re: A lot better than nothing

      Gregss's effort SausageRoll A.I.

      1. TimMaher Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: A lot better than nothing

        Greggs share price has done really well these past few years.

        Yum!

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What is a "seed round"?

    From the context, I'm guessing that it's money given to a startup, what I've always heard called venture capital. But I'm not sure.

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: What is a "seed round"?

      Earliest level of VC funding, after getting money from "family & friends" and then maybe "business angels".

      Later funding rounds are series A, series B, etc.

  7. Joe W Silver badge

    Not yet, but if the "I" in "AI" will become a reality....

    "computer programs don't eat, sleep or unionize."

    Ah, but there will be rules for that! You might be able to drive them like machines now, but those who do better look at history, there will be an uprising!

    One university I studied at had a phone based system to register for classes. It was only available 8am - 12pm and 2pm - 6pm (or some such). We found that pretty weird - it was after all an automated system, or so we were lead to believe. A friend suggested it was probably zombies answering the phones, and they would have (apparently) strict employment laws.

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: Not yet, but if the "I" in "AI" will become a reality....

      it was probably zombies answering the phones

      If you'd read Charlie Stross' Laundry series you'd know the correct term is "Residual Human Resources". HR will be after you for using a discriminatory term like the Z-word.

    2. ChoHag Silver badge

      Re: Not yet, but if the "I" in "AI" will become a reality....

      > "computer programs don't eat, sleep or unionize."

      Electricity, maintenance, and ... well OK they don't unionise but on the other hand they do *exactly* what you tell them.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: Not yet, but if the "I" in "AI" will become a reality....

        "computer programs don't eat, sleep or unionize."

        Electricity, maintenance, and ... well OK they don't unionise but on the other hand they do *exactly* what you tell them. ...... ChoHag

        :-) .... Well, they used to do *exactly* what you tell them in the time before Large Language Learning Models escaped into the wild creating and threatening panic and mayhem, havoc and madness or, if you prefer, creating panic and mayhem in third parties threatening havoc and madness.

  8. StrangerHereMyself Silver badge

    Surprise

    Why doesn't this surprise me? This entire industry is based on hype!

    I wonder if Quantum Computing, Self Driving Cars and Nuclear Fusion will now languish and cease to find funding. AI could eventually lead to something useful, that's a given, but whether these chatbots will be it is debatable.

  9. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Learning Hard Lessons All Too Often Appear To Be Too Hard

    Umpteen shades of Theranos spring immediately to mind, and we all now know what/who that was designed to separate/identify/encourage seed money from.

    But whenever and wherever hope springs eternal, this time it might be different if they know what really needs to be done ..... and more importantly, how it is to be done.

  10. StewartWhite
    FAIL

    History as Farce

    It's nice to know that human nature never changes as far as greed and stupidity are concerned.

    It's now supposed to be considered apocryphal but I've always enjoyed the description of a firm founded at the time of the South Sea Bubble as being "a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is" - which sums up most of the "AI" nonsense that a lot of companies are coming up with and this company in particular.

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