back to article Absolute mad lad renders Doom in teletext

It is time once again to reset the "days since someone ran Doom on something quirky" calendar. Last we heard from the seminal first-person shooter source code, it had appeared as a farmer-themed mod running on jailbroken tractor hardware from John Deere as part of a demonstration on security (or lack thereof). "Turns out our …

  1. Captain Scarlet
    Trollface

    Can you render Crysis via Teletext?

    Can you render Crysis via Teletext?

    Also I know its probably a waste of time, but I love people doing things like this.

    1. NeilPost

      Re: Can you render Crysis via Teletext?

      As a technical demonstration - Avatar Way of Water or Zelda - Tears of the Kingsom.

    2. Bondy

      Re: Can you render Crysis via Teletext?

      No but Elite on the BBC Micro can: https://youtu.be/2emwRygvEAA

  2. msknight

    Bad Apple was done on Teletext.

    Admittedly running on a BBC Micro for audio - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22y_aiOx9CY

    1. NeilPost

      Re: Bad Apple was done on Teletext.

      When the article mentioned Teletext as “Unidirectional” … I was screaming BBC Micro in my head. A BBC Micro emilator would have made this so much easier.

  3. FrogsAndChips Silver badge

    Impressive? Yes. Playable? No

    The rendering is surprisingly fluid on the demo video, but the poor resolution and black&white display would make it very difficult to play once you've passed the first levels, unless you're so familiar with the game that you could play with your eyes closed. Monsters are only visible in close range and items such as locks and keys hardly at all.

    Still, as a wise man said: 'Completely useless, so absolutely necessary!'

    1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

      Re: Impressive? Yes. Playable? No

      The monsters would be easier to see if they were in colour. The main problem there would be that- if my ancient memories of the BBC Micro's Teletext mode are correct- the colour attribute changes would gobble up a single character space on either side (i.e. one "to" the monster's colour and one back "to" wall colour).

      1. Martin-73 Silver badge

        Re: Impressive? Yes. Playable? No

        Yes, very similar limitation on the speccy... many games got VERY inventive about how to solve it

        1. Dan 55 Silver badge
          Windows

          Re: Impressive? Yes. Playable? No

          The Oric 1 had Teletext-style attributes more so than the Spectrum, a colour change takes up a space and the colour continues until the next colour change or the end of the line, so attribute clash could affect up to the rest of the line.

          1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

            Re: Impressive? Yes. Playable? No

            Yes, while the Spectrum had the widely-known limitation of only two colours within any 8x8 square (as Martin-73 noted, a limitation many programmers tried to work around or hide with varying levels of success) it didn't implement Teletext-style attributes and didn't suffer from the dead space that- and presumably the Oric- suffered from.

            1. Martin-73 Silver badge

              Re: Impressive? Yes. Playable? No

              Interesting,, at the time i was only vaguely aware of teletext (lower middle class, ttx sets were SPENDY)

              1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

                Re: Impressive? Yes. Playable? No

                Mine didn't have a Teletext set either, I learned this from programming the BBC Micros at school in the late 80s and early 90s which had a Teletext-compatible display mode (I found out later this was generated by a dedicated chip in hardware which explains why it looked noticeably different to the other modes).

  4. Down not across
    Pint

    Have one of these -->

    Totally useless and yet totally awesome.

    I love it when people with some spare time do wacky stuff like this.

  5. abend0c4 Silver badge

    It was driven to extinction

    It may have been driven to extinction in the UK but it still exists in parts of Europe, even on DTT (which has specific provision for compatibility) and even for the purpose of providing subtitles as well as news and information. It's most likely to finally die as a result of RF broadcasting ceasing - which is probably closer than we expect.

    However, full marks for ingenuity and persistence here! You can transmit up to 16 lines of data per TV frame (in theory) which, given only 17 lines are being used for the display would mean a maximum frame rate of close to 47FPS. Early teletext models predated cheap microprocessors and so operated directly on the incoming data in real time (there was a family of Philips/Mullard ICs which became ubiquitous for this purpose) so are likely to perform rather better than modern sets which likely rely on the same overstretched MCU that's being used for all the other "intelligent" functions.

    1. Martin-73 Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: It was driven to extinction

      Indeed, RF broadcasting is already having its channels gobbled for xG (solve for x) ... but such is progress I just hope a small segment of VHF or maybe low band UHF (maybe channel E21/22) is made available for experimenters who want to try low power stuff with bygone tech. This kinda informally already happens on LW in Eire as there is no official broadcasting on that band, so low powered stuff provided it doesn't cause interference, is ...turned a blind eye to by the Garda (from chatting to radio type peeps on the tube of you)

      Icon because this thread makes me feel like it :) Long live Atlantic 252

    2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

      Re: It was driven to extinction

      ... family of Philips/Mullard ICs

      SAA 5040 etc

      http://teletext.mb21.co.uk/timeline/eti-decoder/part1.shtml

      1. Martin-73 Silver badge
        Windows

        Re: It was driven to extinction

        SOOO much nostalgia, can i use 2 icons... the old dude and the beer one? :)

  6. heyrick Silver badge
    1. Dizzy Dwarf

      Re: I'll just leave this here

      And there goes my evening :)

      1. Martin-73 Silver badge

        Re: I'll just leave this here

        I believe this was the intention :)

  7. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Is it just me...

    ...or does anyone else now have a mental image of Bamber Boozler toting a Big F***ing Gun?

    1. Martin-73 Silver badge

      Re: Is it just me...

      You pressed RED... for THE WAY YOUR HEADS UP WOULD LOOK if this wasn't b/w

  8. Zippy´s Sausage Factory

    Teletext still runs here in Portugal - they even ported it almost directly to the digital TV system. You can still get it on the analogue channels, including the analogue version of the digital channels that ship on the cable networks.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Many countries carried on offering Teletext when they went digital with DVB-TXT, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

  9. Steve Button Silver badge

    Better? Doom on a single lego brick!

    https://hackaday.com/2023/03/18/doom-ported-to-a-single-lego-brick/

    And it looks more playable.

  10. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Linux

    Hmmm (ploink!)

    How about a Pi Zero as a 'proper' teletext decoder alongside something like a Teensy or Arduino driving a (rather big) 2D array of tri-colour LEDs :)

  11. Martin-73 Silver badge
    Pint

    THESE are my kind of El Reg articles

    I know the modern way the site is run tends toward more serious articles, but never lose this angle...

    AND BRING BACK DABBSY!

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: THESE are my kind of El Reg articles

      I think it was a result of that questionnaire a while back asking what types of articles do you like the most and there was a choice of four answers. That turned out as well as Mozilla changing Firefox's UI according to telemetry... the mix was what made El Reg what it was.

      1. Fred Daggy Silver badge

        Re: THESE are my kind of El Reg articles

        If that was the case, i think they need to look over the data they were collecting. NO one, and i mean NO one among my colleagues has a positive thing to say over the changes.

        Even my long retired parents : Where the f*k has this gone?

        Mostly running along the lines of one thing: Firefox ain't Chrome.

        1. Martin-73 Silver badge

          Re: THESE are my kind of El Reg articles

          I am so old I know UA sniffing is BAD web design... i set mine to report itself as lynx for gits and shiggles

      2. david 12 Silver badge

        Re: THESE are my kind of El Reg articles

        -a result of that questionnaire

        I think it was a result of collapse of advertising revenue, leading to a cut-back in the staff and in the number of articles presented.

        The questionnaire was another result of the collapse of advertising revenue: the results are used to sell advertising.

  12. DaemonProcess

    ICL text

    The old British computer company ICL in the 1980s had an internal information text system, which was nearly identical to teletext. This was a kind of fore-runner to an Intranet containing company announcements. It ran on series 39 mainframe. There was even a lonely hearts page, which I thought was hilarious because all the women in the office would try to work out who was looking for a date. You would see the pages scroll through on monitors in offices. I can't remember if you could log into it, too long ago now.

  13. Miguel Vieira

    Mandatory - what a time to be alive!

  14. Arty Effem

    When there's no proper outlet for one's talent...

    This is the result of IT employers asking the wrong questions in interviews.

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