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Microsoft is putting forward a plan to charge customers different prices for Office if it does or doesn’t come with Teams - the latest twist in its campaign to head off an EU antitrust probe at the pass. Last month, sources said the Redmond-based biz was considering whether to stop bundling Teams with Office following …

  1. Yorick Hunt Silver badge
    Coffee/keyboard

    Deja vu all over again

    Knowing Mickey$oft, they'll probably charge more for the version without Teams.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      In education some license plans are £0. Does this mean if we don't use Teams Microsoft will pay us?

      1. 43300 Silver badge

        Re: Deja vu all over again

        Only the E1 licenses, I think? Which don't include the other office programs apart from Teams anyway, so the bundling with office argument won't apply here.

        1. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

          Re: Deja vu all over again

          Nah, education has A1. It's got most applications - but they're only usable via a browser.

          1. keithpeter Silver badge

            Re: Deja vu all over again

            @Non

            Yes, surprisingly useable using Chromium on a Linux laptop for online teaching.

            Was able to operate as far as I can see as well as a native Windows laptop that did not have locally installed Office.

            Teams is of course the tricky bit: screen annotation is flaky.

    2. 43300 Silver badge

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      Possibly - either that or the version without Teams will be set at the current price level, and one one with Teams will be more.

      What they are very unlikely to to is to make anything cheaper than the current subscription level!

    3. Flak
      Headmaster

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      Deja vu = all over again

      1. T. F. M. Reader

        Re: Deja vu all over again

        Deja vu = all over again

        Not for any of the teams Yogi berra played for.

      2. captain veg Silver badge

        Re: Deja vu all over again

        Actually "already seen".

        -A.

    4. Franco

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      "Knowing Mickey$oft, they'll probably charge more for the version without Teams."

      There's plenty of precedent for such behaviour in Germany, BMW used to charge their customers for removal of ashtrays and lighters in their cars.

      It'll be like Windows XP Edition N (No Media Player) though, it will technically exist and there wil be a SKU for it, but it will be rarer than rocking horse shit in the real world.

      1. A Non e-mouse Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Deja vu all over again

        BMW used to charge their customers for removal of ashtrays and lighters in their cars.

        Whereas indicators are still an optional extra on German cars.

        1. OhForF' Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: Deja vu all over again

          Judging on how often BMW drivers use their indicators they are a step further and charge per use and only work when the cloud is available - IaaS Indicators as a service.

        2. Bubba Von Braun
          Joke

          Re: Deja vu all over again

          And lets not forget the heated drivers seat charge for use.. Seems airlines and local councils are taking lessons from the banks on fee's for every little thing.

      2. Sampler

        Re: Deja vu all over again

        Is that what the N stood for, I had some technet images and couldn't determine the difference between the regular and the N version, goes to show how much I used media player...

    5. Ian Mason

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      Having experienced the delights of teams, I'd pay it!

    6. steviebuk Silver badge

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      Wouldn't put it past them its how they got DOS to be bigger than CP/M convincing IBM to sell DOS for a whole lot less with each IBM than what they charged for CP/M.

    7. sarusa Silver badge
      Angel

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      The version of Office without the foul scourge of Teams would be the better version, so *should* go for more.

    8. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      There won’t be a version without Teams, just that only those versions with the correct licence key will install the full Teams. The versions with the non-Teams licence key will install sufficient Teams related “nag” functionality to get in the way of using other products…

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Deja vu all over again

        >>The versions with the non-Teams licence key will install sufficient Teams related “nag” functionality to get in the way of using other products…

        There will be a cut down 'Teams-lite' that just does audio/vid calls and chat. "MS Direct/Instant Messaging (D/IM)" or somesuch.

        Like MS Mail Vs Outlook.

        Mark my Words.

    9. Andy A

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      Teams is of course installed in Windows without the option to uninstall it - and it nags everyone to log in to it every signin.

    10. jmch Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Deja vu all over again

      "they'll probably charge more for the version without Teams"

      That's actually about right, considering the value that MS Teams provides!

  2. PG2255
    Trollface

    I'm happy to forgo Teams

    Although not sure my employer would agree!

  3. ridley

    Whilst they're at it

    Could they please take OneNote outside and do the decent thing.

    1. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

      Re: Whilst they're at it

      Whlst our users like OneNote, our Office 365 admins hate it. They're always complaining about how weird and fragile it is.

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: Whilst they're at it

        That's because it's SharePoint in a casual Friday look. SharePoint has, apparently, always been a nightmare to administer.

    2. Falmari Silver badge

      Re: Whilst they're at it

      To be honest I actually like OneNote. I started using it as it when it first appeared on the MS phone, long before I had 365. When I had to get a new phone (e/os) a year or so back it was the only piece of office I installed on the phone.

      I only use it for syncing notes, write on PC and they are on on phone as well. It does that well enough and really has not change in the years I have been using it. So works for me.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This after removing the free to use version

    Since everyone that was using the free version now has to get the 365 licence anyway...

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: This after removing the free to use version

      Or use something else…

  5. ovation1357

    About time

    I hope the EU throws the book at them and gives them a hefty fine while they're at it!

    Teams sucks and I've been forced to suffer using it for work exactly because of them bundling it "free" and thus being lapped up by organisations which were already fully locked into Windows and Office. It becomes almost impossible to sell the idea of paying another licence for a better product when you're dealing mainly with nontechnical bean counters who consider all similar applications to be equal and this one's "free" (but not as in FOSS because that's "unsupported shareware" in case you didn't know).

    Time and again they get away with conning people into mass adoption of the poorest quality product whilst snuffing out the real innovators.

    It's just a shame that there seems to be no way to stop them from doing this upfront rather than applying some minor punishment long after the damage has been done.

    1. Sampler

      Re: About time

      When I was complaining about my frustrations with sharepoint, someone I was boring said to view it as a minimal viable product, microsoft pinches it out and bundles so businesses will use the one they're "already paying for" rather than getting something better. It only being good enough to get in the door as microsoft has no real care for it, just care about you not going elsewhere.

      It's honestly helped my mental health a lot to think about it that way, even if my day to day is still a frustrating hell..

  6. SnOOpy168

    $1 discount per seat, per year ?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I retired just before Covid and the popularity of online meetings

    Not being religious, I have no space fairy to thank.

    But I praise the universe anyway.

    Meat based meetings were always horrifying.

    But online “virtual” meetings must have been torture.

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