back to article Pornhub walls off Utah in age-verification law protest

Smut surfers in Utah are facing disappointment if attempting to visit Pornhub lately. Rather than their planned, er, viewing, they're instead greeted with a video informing them all access to the site has been blocked within their state. In that safe-for-work video, shown to all Pornhub visitors with a Utah IP address, Cherie …

  1. Rikki Tikki Bronze badge

    Was this law passed after a mass debate?

    1. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      ... involving cunning linguists?

    2. Snake Silver badge

      Re: mass debate

      Of course it was! "Mass debate" in this case entailed keeping the discussion inside the Utah legislature, the only "mass" they care about.

      Who are "they"?

      They’re overwhelmingly members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (86%).

      "They are mostly white (93%).

      They’re predominantly men (76%)."

      And, of course,

      "They are very Republican (78%)."

      Did you REALLY expect anything else??

      https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/01/20/utah-legislature-who-are/

      1. low_resolution_foxxes

        Re: mass debate

        To be fair to those entitled men you speak of, they are at least fighting for policy measures that predominantly affect and make life harder for other men.

  2. James O'Shea

    Time to sell Utah residents some good proxy services so that they seem to be coming from, oh, California.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: So true...

      Just imagine the deluge of targeted advertising about to hit Utah..

    2. chivo243 Silver badge
      Windows

      I wonder if the built in vpn in opera would defeat this?

  3. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    Any chance we can get news from anywhere but USA ?

    It seems if an american farts its world news but a hurrican blows up a country that doesnt count

    1. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

      Utah has identified certain words in your post that require age verification.

    2. werdsmith Silver badge

      Register editorial content ain’t what it was but the whingey comments still provide some good entertainment.

      1. LybsterRoy Silver badge

        Yes, but, I find less articles interesting enough to get to the whingey comments. Ahhh I remember the good old days of climate change debates.

    3. John H Woods Silver badge

      There's some merit it this complaint...

      ... as El Reg has become more US focussed but I think this is pretty much globally significant news, especially within IT.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: There's some merit it this complaint...

        Maybe El Reg also uses IP Tracking tech and hence knows how many website visitors access the site from each and every country, and possibly each/every state/county/shire etc.

        And if the majority are US-based, then clearly the editorial will be more focussed on US based content.

        Maybe El Reg needs to create country-specific news sections, just to appease any of the non-US netizens?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Why do some posts have a bold black line above them

          Why do some posts have a bold black line above them and the post above has a bold black line below it? I'm sure it must be significant but I've no idea what it means.

          1. chivo243 Silver badge

            Re: Why do some posts have a bold black line above them

            Why do some posts have a bold black line above them and the post above has a bold black line below it? I'm sure it must be significant but I've no idea what it means.

            The remnants of ads... using an ad blocker? Javascript blocker?

          2. James O'Shea

            Re: Why do some posts have a bold black line above them

            It means that:

            1. You are running an ad-blocker or similar

            2. there was an ad in that space

            3. you are being either obtuse or snarky, insufficient data to determine which

            4. for those who aren't paying attention, I'm being snarky

            1. chivo243 Silver badge
              Thumb Up

              Re: Why do some posts have a bold black line above them

              Snarky for the Win!!

            2. Frank Bitterlich

              Re: Why do some posts have a bold black line above them

              I see that effect too, without having any kind of blocker. But I think sometimes the ads just aren't loading for some other reason, and then you get that blank space (surrounded by said "bold lines") too.

        2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: There's some merit it this complaint...

          "And if the majority are US-based, then clearly the editorial will be more focussed on US based content."

          And yet, when it was slightly less US focussed, it attracted a great many US readers. So sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way. It's how advertisers work. If a market is expanding, concentrate on that one, even if what you are doing alienates other markets and removes the uniqueness you had.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: There's some merit it this complaint...

        well we nearly had this utter sh1t show here in the UK a few yeas ago. The Tory government had spunked millions on the project (despite every man and his dog in the IT industry and others saying it was a stupid idea) to then cancel it.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: There's some merit it this complaint...

          Thumbs up for appropriate use of, "spunked".

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: There's some merit it this complaint...

            Should ‘spunked’ be with thumbs up or thumbs down?

        2. MachDiamond Silver badge

          Re: There's some merit it this complaint...

          "The Tory government had spunked millions on the project (despite every man and his dog in the IT industry and others saying it was a stupid idea) to then cancel it."

          The politicians (of all stripes) have to make sure they milk everything they can for the most amount of money possible even if it is destined to fail. How else can they keep their family members and friends employed? They can also shift a bunch of the 'studies' to think tanks that will hire them when they fail to be re-elected.

    4. GruntyMcPugh Silver badge

      Er, this is kind of relevant to the UK, 'cos we have had that 'Online Safety Bill' with it's proposed age verification requirement, but without any method proposed of achieving that goal.

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        "Er, this is kind of relevant to the UK, 'cos we have had that 'Online Safety Bill' with it's proposed age verification requirement, but without any method proposed of achieving that goal."

        The state of California approved the testing of autonomous vehicles on public roads and put the work of coming up with some draft laws on the highway patrol. The problem was that testing was approved before the highway patrol had any time to consider what sort of regulations might be appropriate. The FAA approved a regulation that made real-time tracking of drones (Small commercial stuff, not military) without there being any mechanism in place to do the tracking. ADS-B is out and cell service isn't available or reliable enough in many places to come up with a system based on that. This means that OEM's have no way to add the functionality and people like me with older drones that are no longer made won't have a way to upgrade so it's another $1,200 or more for a new one.

    5. analyzer

      We need more, we need to see the crazy before it assaults our shores, we may even get a chance to vote the numpties, who think the crap is OK, out of office

      1. J.G.Harston Silver badge

        we may even get a chance to vote the numpties, who think the crap is OK, out of office

        But the other two parties also think this crap is OK.

    6. big_D Silver badge

      Did you miss the DSAG news over the last few days? Several articles coming out of DSAG regarding SAP's focing customers to the cloud and price rises. The German speakers' user group is not impressed...

    7. MachDiamond Silver badge

      "Any chance we can get news from anywhere but USA ?"

      Sure you can but the US is the leader in the export of bad ideas. If you want to see what's coming, you need to see the idiocy being fomented in the US just like watching hurricanes forming to be able to make plans early.

  4. DS999 Silver badge

    I imagine Utah's most of lawmakers are happy about this outcome

    Though some are probably secretly mad they can't get to pornhub anymore.

    If you look at stats for whatever reason Utah is always #1 in the US for porn browsing. I guess the Mormon religious repression has to find an outlet somewhere. I have to think there are some people in Utah pretty unhappy with that status, so effectively banning one of the biggest porn websites across the whole state has to make them happy. Unfortunately for them, there are countless sites, and most of them will simply ignore Utah's laws and they won't be able to do anything about it!

    1. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge

      Re: I imagine Utah's most of lawmakers are happy about this outcome

      And a bunch of wankers they are too...

    2. Mark 85

      Re: I imagine Utah's most of lawmakers are happy about this outcome

      It's pure politics and BS at it's worst here. Seems the far right is going after everything (except power, greed and maybe adult beverages... oh... and mistresses.) I'm not sure how this will all end up but things are a bit scary.

      I'm reminded of an old curse.... "may you live in interesting times."

    3. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: I imagine Utah's most of lawmakers are happy about this outcome

      Traditionally, the Mormons are keen on large families. I expect they want to keep people making new voters rather than wasting genetic material and time doing other things. Singing, "Every sperm is sacred......" Ok, that was aimed at Catholics, but it's still people in tall hats and robes telling others what to do.

    4. skeptical i
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      Re: I imagine Utah's most of lawmakers are happy about this outcome

      Maybe operators of other restricted adult content sites should consider also walling off Utah in solidarity.

    5. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: I imagine Utah's most of lawmakers are happy about this outcome

      "Though some are probably secretly mad they can't get to pornhub anymore."

      The internet is all about porn and cat videos. The bigger trick is not seeing ads and promos for those. I'm amazed that the "adult entertainment" is still around since it's so easy to find free naughty movies and photos with very little effort.

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I imagine Utah's most of lawmakers are happy about this outcome

      …as in, the ending will be happy?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    VPN Anyone?

    ....say from a nice IP address in Japan? ...or even from next door in Nevada?

    1. James O'Shea

      Re: VPN Anyone?

      There are a non-trivial number of Mormons in Nevada. And, given that Nevada infamously is heavily into sex, gambling, alcohol, caffeine (a no-no in Mormonism) and the US Air Force, which is well-supplied with personnel heavily into sex, gambling, alcohol, and caffeine, the Mormons there tend to be, ahem, Hard Core.

      Exits to 'Charlie, He's My Darling', a song that implies other practices that Mormons won't like.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    CULT

    Censored Undressed Ladies Technology

  7. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

    Geo blocked?

    Presumably this is implemented using some form of IP address geolocation. How well does that work with IPv6, and does PornHub have IPv6 connectivity?

    (I'm not in Utah, for those wondering :) )

    1. Crypto Monad Silver badge

      Re: Geo blocked?

      Geolocation works exactly the same for IPv6 as it does for IPv4. The owner of the addresses registers the assignments of blocks.

      For example, if an ISP's POP in Utah has a /20 pool of IPv4 addresses (enough for 2^12 users) and a /44 pool of IPv6 addresses (enough for 2^12 users with a /56 each), both blocks will (or should) be recorded as being used in that POP, and that will trickle through to geolocation databases.

      It's not an issue for pornhub though:

      $ dig +short pornhub.com aaaa

      $

      1. Jamie Jones Silver badge

        Re: Geo blocked?

        .... "So, dear, that is the reason you saw an entry for pornhub in our local DNS cache. I was simply explaining something on the register website. By the way, have you lost weight?"

        1. matjaggard

          Re: Geo blocked?

          If someone is looking at your DNS cache it's time to move on.

  8. Roopee Bronze badge
    Big Brother

    Investment Advice

    Time to start putting your money into VPN stocks - if you haven't already... :)

  9. s. pam Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Time for the Monty Python singers!!!

    Singalong at home, everyone:

    Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.

    If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

    The all-powerful Moron church probably wants more master-race babies!

    1. short a sandwich

      Re: Time for the Monty Python singers!!!

      According to Python the third world is in Barnsley not Utah!

    2. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Time for the Monty Python singers!!!

      Darnit, I just went there with the song but it looks like I got beat. Python for the win!

  10. codejunky Silver badge

    Hmm

    We can laugh at those backward people only to then look to our backward idiots in the UK wanting to impose age verification too.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmm

      The state of Utah in the United States passed a law in 2019 requiring all providers of online pornographic content to include an opt-in age verification system, with fines for non-compliance. This law was temporarily blocked by a federal judge in 2020, and its fate is still uncertain.

      Regarding the statement comparing the Utah law to potential age verification laws in the UK, it's worth noting that age verification for online pornography was indeed proposed in the UK a few years ago, but it was eventually dropped due to concerns about privacy and security. However, the issue has been raised again recently, with some politicians calling for stricter measures to protect children from accessing adult content online.

      While the specifics of the Utah law and potential UK laws may differ, the underlying concern for protecting minors from accessing pornographic material online is a common thread. There are certainly arguments to be made on both sides of the issue, with some arguing that age verification is a necessary step to protect children, while others raise concerns about privacy, security, and the potential for unintended consequences.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hmm

        And the people who actually understand the internet saying that it isn't possible to do it reliably anyway.

        It's not the government's job to replace parental responsibility.

        1. Mark 85

          Re: Hmm

          It really has nothing to do with parental responsibility. It has to do with "image" of the holier than thou politicos along with money, and control of the masses. Now if government actually practiced some ethics, then it would be a different story.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hmm

        bot-generated text, I KNEW IT! :D

  11. navarac Bronze badge

    Us hypocrites

    Typical Americans - got to protect the children from porn, but happily let people have guns without restriction and shoot the kids in schools without any sign of legislation. F**cking idiot country.

    1. GruntyMcPugh Silver badge

      Re: Us hypocrites

      It's odd firearms are now the major cause of death amongst children in the USA, overtaking vehicular death, yet states like Utah have a driver's license, but no license required for gun ownership.

      1. Snake Silver badge

        Re: Us hypocrites

        They don't get it, but let's also take a moment to blame the LIBERALS, yes the liberals (note: i lean that way) for *continuing* to be ABSOLUTELY SPINELESS and never pummeling them, nonstop, with their hypocrisy, at every available opportunity, until the World+dog is so sick of it all that the conservatives cower away in fear.

        But no no, can't have that. We wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, right??!

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      3. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Us hypocrites

        "It's odd firearms are now the major cause of death amongst children in the USA, overtaking vehicular death, yet states like Utah have a driver's license, but no license required for gun ownership."

        It's not a good idea to quote the current US President. Firearms in the US are NOT a leading cause of deaths for under 18's. I'd be wary of any stats that include gang related violence as those "children" are acting like adults.

        BTW, there are many many laws in the US regulating firearms. There are also laws about driving too fast, drink driving, theft, etc. A recent shooter was booked and released from custody a week ago after committing a major crime. If they judges aren't going to keep hold of criminals when they've been caught, ....... A story today was about a resident in San Francisco that's had his home broken into 8 times recently. The police don't even bother to pretend to take reports and advised him to hire some private security. I expect he'll have all sorts of fun trying to get compensation from his insurance since they require a copy of a police report.

    2. Someone Else Silver badge

      Re: Us hypocrites

      Utah has some of the most permissive gun laws in the country (ref. Firearm Legislation and Firearm-Related Fatalities in the United States. The Journal of the American Medical Association, 2013. Per this Wikipedia article, carrying a firearm with the intent to unlawfully assault another is a class A misdemeanor under Utah law.

      But of course, one's willy is not considered a firearm in Utah. Wonder why that is...

      1. Mark 85
        Coat

        Re: Us hypocrites

        But of course, one's willy is not considered a firearm in Utah. Wonder why that is...

        Because politicians shoot blanks???? I'll get my hat and coar.

        1. Antron Argaiv Silver badge

          Re: Us hypocrites

          Isn't it frightfully nice to have...

      2. WolfFan Silver badge

        Re: Us hypocrites

        Ahem. It’s possible that you have not seen “Full Metal Jacket”. And let me quote R. Lee Emery playing R. Lee Emery as a Drill Instructor: “This is my rifle, this is my gun, one is for fighting, one is for fun.” (At least 50% of Mr. Emery’s lines were ad-libbed; he was playing a Marine DI, a role he had played for decades for real. He was really good at being a DI.)

      3. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Us hypocrites

        "Per this Wikipedia article, carrying a firearm with the intent to unlawfully assault another is a class A misdemeanor under Utah law."

        I'd see that law as a waste of time on the part of lawmakers. To make it stick, you have to prove intent in court which can be very difficult. If a person did use a firearm to assault somebody or tried to shoot somebody and missed, that's not as hard to prove. I see it as another likely knee-jerk piece of legislation that was in response to some incident. There are tremendous numbers of laws already in effect about doing an injury to somebody and surrounding the use/possession of firearms. What's needed is for district attorneys and courts to implement and uphold those laws. Anybody willing to use a weapon that isn't in self-defense shouldn't be somebody that's released from custody hours after an arrest. There should be at least some evaluation done on that person to find out if they are stable.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Tor mode in Brave seems the quickest solution. Works for me, especially when you get regional content which can be amusing.

    AC as my kids read el reg!!

    1. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      > AC as my kids read el reg!!

      Only when they don#t want you to catch them watching porhub!

  13. J.G.Harston Silver badge

    How do they know the client machine is in Utah? The IP address just tells you its IP address, not its postal address. Google claims my IP address is in Barnsley.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Is that South Barnsley Lane, South Jordan, Utah, 84009?

      Looks like a nice place. Shame about the porn.

    2. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      Forgetting VPNs and bouncing connections for a minute, and it's mainly down to the tendancy of cable companies to do more local IP routing. The DSL companies in the UK tend to route IP internally, nationally, over MPLS.

      In addition, in America, they tend to peer more locally to "the internet" - I'm in Swansea. My (DSL) ISP connection hits "the internet" in London. All UK physical telco DSL providers I've seen work in a similar way.

      It's therefore not easy in the UK to tell where a DSL customer is, other than based on the whims of the telco who might tend to get their dhcp servers to group per area. Google regularly has me moving all over Wales. In the past, google would think I was in Scotland - presumably a prior user of the IP address I had been allocated was determined through other means to be in Scotland.

      I don't know about now, but when Virgin was NTL, the IP routing was more local whilst still internal. You'd see things like cpc-gors.swan.blahblah.ntl.net when a connection was from gorseinon in swansea, for instance.

      Basically, geolocation for UK phone-network based internet is a crap shoot. In other places, it is easier to pin down.

      And in addition to all that, Utah is around the size of England and Wales!

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Money Shot

    Kids do have too much access to pR0n.

    Doesn't a large proportion of UK school kids now believe that a money shot is the normal climax[sic] of coitus now?

    But this type of bill does nothing to address anything in the realm of child protection or sex-ed.

    1. imanidiot Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Re: Money Shot

      I have a hard time believing that. But I'm also not about to go look for evidence on a work computer

  15. RobThBay

    Until a real solution is offered we've made the difficult decision...

    ...we've made the hard decision....

    FTFY

  16. yetanotheraoc Silver badge

    How does that work then?

    "Both Utah and Louisiana's laws include provisions barring the storage of PII by adult website operators"

    Age verification without PII? Maybe the websites could just say they verified the age and then deleted the PII as required.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: How does that work then?

      Depends how well or badly the law is worded. To be checked, the PII has to be "stored" for some finite amount of time, even if only in RAM. If the wording is loose enough, someone will sue.

  17. _Elvi_
    Pint

    .. Amazing ..

    I have been told, you can only buy Lager in Utah.. in a "State managed" storefront...

    ( I'll have mine down at the corner, thank you.. . )

  18. markr555

    Keeping porn from eager teenagers?

    They'll never pull it off!

  19. Winkypop Silver badge

    Old Joe Smith wasn’t so shy

    He’d “bless” all the “spiritual wives” he could get his mitts on.

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