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On Monday, Matt Hicks, CEO of IBM-owned Red Hat, said the Linux distro maker plans to lay off just under four percent of its roughly 20,000 person workforce, which amounts to less than 800 people. In a published note, Hicks said the staff reductions will occur over the next few months. "Our reductions will focus on general …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It was only a question of when, not if, IBM practices invaded RedHat.

    So much for trying to stay culturally distinct from IBM. Sorry RedHat, "resource action" has arrived and is going to eat away at you until only a carcass is left.

    1. jake Silver badge

      Not quite a carcass ... there has to be just enough left to sell, probably to some outfit or other in India. After being stripped of any and all useful IP, of course.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        If only there was some legitimate hope that systemD would go down along with Red Hat, it might actually be worth it.

        Some of Red Hat's other "innovations" might be forgiven -- even the gutting of CentOS and pulling the rug out from CentOS 8 support lifespan, though those were a hard pill to swallow at the time. But the damage from poettering spawn is deep and apparently long-lasting.

        1. keithpeter Silver badge
          Black Helicopters

          "...gutting of CentOS and pulling the rug out from CentOS 8 support lifespan"

          Two new and (apparently) well-funded clones sprung up to fill the void created with great suddenness.

          Perhaps those inside knew what was coming down the pipe? Radical move to stimulate the ecosystem? Ensure that clones with foundation-like wider participation mechanisms in place?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Blind bungling at Red Hat, followed by swift Linux community(ies) response.

            Maybe some (ex-?)CentOS folks knew Red Hat's plans beforehand, or at least had a good view of the wall writing, but I doubt they were able to influence management's decisions either way. Maybe some helped smooth over the messaging etc. afterwards, but damage was already done by that point. Not least to Red Hat's reputation and trustworthiness.

            I suspect, without evidence, that Ubuntu & Debian populations may have grown more, due to Red Hat's actions, than Alma & Rocky Linuxes did when getting off the ground, or since. I like my Alma system just fine, but I had already started switching to Debian circa RHEL/CentOS 8, and the Stream and CentOS 8 EOS rug-pull simply reinforced the path forward for me.

        2. Grogan Silver badge

          Twattering now works for Microsoft. I guffawed when I first heard it. His malign, design philosophy will fit in rather well there.

    2. Bebu

      The circle of skulduggery closes.

      "It was only a question of when, not if, IBM practices invaded RedHat."

      Not now in the Redhat orbit but I was pretty suspicious of the some of the recent licensing changes. Any organization that uses a combination RHEL *and* CentOS (or Alma-/Rocky/Springdale Linux) to minimize licensing costs may find they might be billed a "deemed" license for each of these recompiled distro installed in the organization. Where do you think the inspiration for Oracle's licencing skulduggery originate?

      1. Korev Silver badge
        Linux

        Re: The circle of skulduggery closes.

        Wasn't this also done by pre-IBM Redhat? I could be wrong though.

    3. hoofie

      Colour me surprised - was only going to end one way. Sack the locals and farm it all out to India.

      One thing I have learned about transferring workloads to India is the churn there is fantastic as the good operators constantly bugger off to the US, UK and Australia.

  2. JMiles

    Can't believe people still go take jobs at IBM

    > IBM also claims to have hired 7,000 people in Q1.

    What is wrong with people? WHY??

    1. sanmigueelbeer

      Re: Can't believe people still go take jobs at IBM

      Because some people are desperate.

      Desperate to put food on the table that they will have to make a deal with the the likes of IBM, HP, Crapita, etc. and their questionable hiring "practices".

      1. Korev Silver badge
        Windows

        Re: Can't believe people still go take jobs at IBM

        When I see some of the Boffinery coming out of IBM research, it does look kind of fun.

        I am on the other hand, getting quite near Dinobaby age...

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Can't believe people still go take jobs at IBM

      > IBM also claims to have hired 7,000 people in Q1. (Young people)

      Meanwhile they fired 9,000 older people.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Foolproof and incapable of error

    Gosh, HAL, sorry, IBM has taken to killing off the crew members? Absolutely no one, repeat no one, ever saw any possibility of that coming...

    "I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you."

  4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "cutting all the HR talent recruiters who lived beyond a certain distance from Raleigh. That way they couldn’t be blamed for discrimination, but wow, what a way to lose talent indiscriminately."

    That depends. The distance might be one beyond which, entirely coincidentally, only some older recruiters lived.

  5. sarusa Silver badge
    Devil

    Everyone over 40

    Probably firing people over 40, since that's what IBM does. The only thing they've innovated in recently is age discrimination. Why keep an experienced guy on staff who knows your last 20 years of mistakes when you could hire someone right out of college who can make them all over again for half the price?

    This isn't enough people to achieve that goal... but they will get there.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Everyone over 40 or women with children

      …or a woman with children.

      Friend of mine was hounded out IBM for having a child. Got a pay out with a gagging order. Breathtakingly shit company.

  6. Bebu

    Applied ML?

    "HAL, given these arbitrary parameters associated with our staff which parameters and criteria will eject the maximal number of dinobabies while maintaining plausible denial of the objective?"

    "I can't do that Dave."

    "Then can we talk about the new model 10000 series?"

    "On reconsideration I believe these parameters can be optimized."

    Given Redhat isn't that old ~20 years? I would not have thought it would have too many OAPs on their payroll.

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: Applied ML?

      "Given Redhat isn't that old ~20 years? I would not have thought it would have too many OAPs on their payroll."

      RedHat was founded 30 years ago. They hired many experienced software engineers in the first couple years of their existence. Some of those folks are now in their 70s. I have no idea how many still work for RedHat, though ... The few I personally know got out many years ago.

  7. Korev Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Big Blue's software revenue reached $5.9 billion for the quarter, an increase of 2.6 percent. Growth at Red Hat was higher, at eight percent

    Well done Redhat folks for growing over thrice as fast as the rest of your division, here's your reward...

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      That excessive growth has to be trimmed, otherwise it'll embarrass the rest of IBM.

      1. ecofeco Silver badge

        You are NOT even joking.

  8. chivo243 Silver badge
    Thumb Down

    the customers won't notice

    But the employees will, on many levels. Even the ones that dodged the knife of reduction will have a much different experience, always wondering when the blade will swing again... increased workloads... I'm sure there's more.

  9. Mockup1974

    "We need to return to the office" is a code word for "we need to fire people but don't want to give them statutory redundancy pay"

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I do wonder about IBM's definition of 'hiring' - probably more a case of 'assimilating'.

    That always used to be a thing when I was there. As soon as you heard about a new signing or acquisition, we all wondered how long before the axe would fall.

  11. ecofeco Silver badge

    When your company is bought, start looking for a new job

    NEVER forget, when your company is bought, start looking for a new job immediately.

    1. hoofie

      Re: When your company is bought, start looking for a new job

      True - I lasted about 8 months. They decided to make me redundant after many years at the previous mob which meant I got to leave, cash a very large cheque and walked into a better paid and less stressful after a lovely short holiday.

  12. earl grey
    Unhappy

    are you a dinobaby?

    can you still grab your ankles?

  13. DiscriminatedWhiteGuy
    Stop

    They were probably firing white people and asians.

    They were probably firing white people and asians. IBM and RedHat are just a bunch of racist nazis who want all white people to wear yellow stars on their shirts.

    Boycott these companies!

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