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For years, the United States has leveled waves of sanctions and export bans on Chinese firms in an effort to squelch the Middle Kingdom's fledgling semiconductor industry, all the while rallying allies. As the US crusade has grown more aggressive, however, this places several nations, including Brazil, in the strategically …

  1. Snowy Silver badge
    Flame

    Part of Belt and road

    Which sounds more like Ball and chain when you can not pay up!

    1. OculusMentis

      Re: Part of Belt and road

      Just like the IMF and the World Bank…

      1. Snowy Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Part of Belt and road

        Not saying it is not but at least IMF and World Bank let run the prject yourself so some of the money does go to your economy rather than all of it going to China.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          @Snowy - Re: Part of Belt and road

          Apart from your personal wish/opinion we took note of, can you please point us to some relevant, first hand information supporting your statement ?

    2. Casca Silver badge

      Re: Part of Belt and road

      Looks like the china downvote bots is out in force...

    3. TheInstigator

      Re: Part of Belt and road

      @snowy So how exactly are you supposed to protect your investment in something if the debtor can't pay?

      Would you give it away for free?

  2. VoiceOfTruth

    Get a dictionary please

    -> all the while rallying allies.

    s/rallying/threatening/

    Do you think we are all blind? Do you think we do not see that the USA is a dictator?

    1. Snowy Silver badge
      Holmes

      Re: Get a dictionary please

      USA killed the British Empire so they could build their own?

      1. Zolko Silver badge

        Re: Get a dictionary please

        I have a theory: the British and US empires are actually one and the same. Call it Oceania

      2. VoiceOfTruth

        Re: Get a dictionary please

        Pretty much true.

    2. Casca Silver badge

      Re: Get a dictionary please

      And china is what according to you?

  3. Mr Finance

    I guess that's a risk, but does the author have a better plan to stop the tyranical emperor Xi from imposing his rather unpleasant 1984 style will on the rest of the world via the medium of the millions of STEM PhDs he has directed to build tech dominance in every autocrats favourite fields? Sometimes people forget that the US did not declare this new cold war, they just reluctantly realised that Xi already had privately declared it already about 10years ago.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Aaawwww! Poor little US!

      You're warming my heart. Tyrannical emperor Xi label shows how much do you know about China from your personal knowledge/experience versus how much has been whispered into your brain by propaganda.

      I'm not of Asian origin (never travelled there), I've spent half of my life under a Communist dictatorship regime and I occasionally read Chinese newspapers (in English) to taste their propaganda too. I'm not interested in changing your opinion but my vision is different.

    2. Zolko Silver badge

      © The Life of Brian

      the US did not declare this new cold war, they just reluctantly ...

      brilliant, absolutely brilliant ! Brainwashing in its finest.

    3. TheInstigator

      @Mr Finance

      How exactly is a cold war "declared"

      I name this bridge ... err war - COLD WAR !!!!!!!!!!

      ?

  4. DanceMan

    Old jokes about Five Year Plans aside, the US thinks ahead to the next 2 year election, but China thinks a decade or more ahead.

    1. cookieMonster Silver badge

      Agree, but that’s because they don’t have any pesky elections to worry about

  5. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

    The Military Industrial Complex would like nothing better than to have another multi-decade cold war they can load up the budgets on. If it escalates into actual conflict, well, then they get to play with their "toys." And make no mistake, a lot of them think it would be "fun" to play.

    How can you avoid such a significant chunk of the American mindset itself (we "lead the free world") from falling into the trap of being so easily manipulated by simply giving them an enemy, ala 1984?

    They sure don't remember all the times America has been at war and lost thousands or tens of thousands if not more lives, not to mention the hundreds of thousands who return disabled, only to be abandoned on the streets. They don't remember the times those wars have been fought over false pretenses, or over "patriotic" ideals that didn't matter in the real world of day to day life, or when they were blatantly lost and buried as quickly as possible from the media.

    War is an ugly business. But make no mistake, to some, all they care about is that it is a profitable business.

    1. TheInstigator

      I recall a paragraph which looked like it came from secondary school education that detailed the attributes of a extremist society - some of which were glorification of armed forces etc.

      The UK and US scored highly on that index!

      1. Persona

        I'm not sure I would extend that to the UK. Glorification of the armed services is vastly higher in the US that the UK.

        I was taking a flight from Nice back to the UK the other day. The next gate was a Delta Airline flight to New York and I was surprised to hear the announcement inviting US armed forces to board first.

        This is their official statement on the matter: "The Armed Forces community is a remarkably important part of what we do at Delta. This is one more way Delta can show gratitude to those who sacrifice so much for us."

        1. TheInstigator

          Being British, the attitude towards the armed forces is more "restrained" but they are still highly thought of by the populace - I do concede that it is more overt in the US ...

  6. Ivan001

    Lula is serving his third term

    Lula is serving his third term, he served two terms between 2003 and 2010.

  7. Tom 38

    hey are one of the largest automotive producers in Latin America

    So looking forward to seeing Chinese chips in the top 10 most produced cars in Brazil (checks notes) - Fiat Strada, Hyundai HB20, Chevrolet Onix, Chevrolet Onix Plus, Fiat Mobi, Volkswagen Gol, Chevrolet Tracker, Volkswagen T-Cross, Fiat Argo, and the Jeep Compass.

  8. TheInstigator

    "... severally restricted"

    I'm hoping this is "severely restricted" ;)

    I have to say - if I was America I'd build a plant in Brasil to deny the country to China (on the basis that China is unlikely to build a plant in the country if there is a US one there already).

    If I was China - I wouldn't build a plant in any other country than China - why would you invest so much money in a 3rd party country which may turn against you in the future?

    1. CommonBloke

      Brazil's siding

      Uncle Sam probably prefers to rely on CIA and brazilian politicians that despise their country (locally called "entreguistas", hand-outers, because they don't even try to sell the country, they just hand it out) to keep Brazil aligned with them. That plan was going perfectly fine since the 2016 coup, with Michel Temer's then chief of intelligence, general Etchegoyen, meeting with mr. "Chief of CIA Operations in Brazil", Duyane Norman, continuing on with Jaevil Bolsonaro, a real lover of the 1964 dictatorship.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Lula is bad for business.

    The man makes Nixon look like a saint. Did you know he was under arrest for corruption just before his latest term?

    If I was AMD or Intel I would steer clear of him too.

    Because I want to live, anonymous it is.

    1. seldom

      Re: Lula is bad for business.

      Look into why he was released. It turned out the State Department had framed him so that Bolsonara could win.

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