back to article US bans good for Chinese chipmakers, and bad for us, says Taiwanese rival

The chairman of Taiwan’s biggest chip designer, Mediatek’s Tsai Ming-kai, expressed distress over US semiconductor sanctions yesterday, saying they may hurt Taiwan's chip houses. "The US export controls against China's advanced chip sector in October last year has prompted Chinese government funds to flow into the mature chip …

  1. VoiceOfTruth

    Memo to Taiwan

    The USA doesn't give two cents for your views. You are gullible fools if you thought that the USA was doing this for reasons other than to preserve American hegemony. The fact that it costs you your industry is too bad for you.

    1. Version 1.0 Silver badge

      Re: Memo to Taiwan

      I see it as America liking to "say" it supports Taiwan but not thinking much about the effect of its attitudes. The entire situation between China and America over Taiwan is politically stupid on both sides, it would be such a good future if all three countries were to just say that the political views need to be dropped and all three countries should work together in the future - that would benefit everyone (except Putin).

      1. rcxb Silver badge

        Re: Memo to Taiwan

        The entire situation between China and America over Taiwan is politically stupid on both sides, it would be such a good future if all three countries were to just say that the political views need to be dropped and all three countries should work together in the future - that would benefit everyone (except Putin).

        China's views on Taiwan are much the same as Putin's views on Ukraine.

        1. Cheshire Cat

          Re: Memo to Taiwan

          China's attitude toward Taiwan and the rest of the neighbouring areas is a bit like the Cat in Red Dwarf

          https://media.tenor.com/7CPAzQHV2n8AAAAC/the-cat-red-dwarf.gif

  2. Bartholomew
    Meh

    short term thinking

    In the long run sanctions will only accelerate China, with nearly 19% of the global population isolated from external suppliers. That is one hell of a home market. There is only one eventual outcome, and it will not be good for anyone but China.

    Where is the highest concentration of the 17 critical rate earth elements (lanthanum, cerium, praseodymium, neodymium, promethium, samarium, europium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, holmium, erbium, thulium, ytterbium, lutetium, scandium, and yttrium) on earth (hint: it is around ~38%). Now is the time to strengthen international relations with Vietnam(~19%), Brazil(~18.1%), Russia(10.4%), India(6.0%), Australia(3.5%), United States(1.3%), Greenland(1.3%), Tanzania(0.8%), Canada(0.7%), South Africa(0.7%) for access to these key elements needed for all the current (and probably long into the future) green economy technologies.

    1. VoiceOfTruth

      Re: short term thinking

      -> Now is the time to strengthen international relations with Vietnam

      The USA tried that once. Let us bomb them into friendship.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: short term thinking

        Personally I blame Churchill for sending "Henry Tizard" on the "Tizard Mission". The US got a free technological jump start. You never hear about the "Tube Alloys programme ", it is always the "Manhattan Project".

        1. VoiceOfTruth

          Re: short term thinking

          How right you are! In many ways the UK was way ahead of the USA in technology. Don't forget magnetrons where the UK was a whole generation ahead. Splitting the atom, the television, the jet engine, the computer, DNA, etc.

          How "our" politicians sold this country down the river for their short term gain.

          1. Lars
            Pint

            Re: short term thinking

            @VoiceOfTruth

            What you write is so immensely childish and a disgrace for the British should you represent a typical Brit.

            I hope that is not the case.

            My suggestion to you is that read about what you claim here.

            You do know the Germans had their jet engines up in the air years before the British. The first patent was by a French guy.

            The computer is not a British invention, lots vent on in both the USA and Germany. Read about Konrad Zuse, for instance.

            "The DNA was first isolated by the Swiss physician Friedrich Miescher who, in 1869, discovered a microscopic substance in the pus of discarded surgical bandages. As it resided in the nuclei of cells, he called it "nuclein".[186][187] In 1878, Albrecht Kossel isolated the non-protein component of "nuclein", nucleic acid, and later isolated its five primary nucleobases."

            Again regarding the television many inventions and people are involved.

            "As a 23-year-old German university student, Paul Julius Gottlieb Nipkow proposed and patented the Nipkow disk in 1884 in Berlin."

            "By the 1920s, when amplification made television practical, Scottish inventor John Logie Baird employed the Nipkow disk in his prototype video systems. On 25 March 1925, Baird gave the first public demonstration of televised silhouette images in motion, at Selfridges's department store in London.".

            A lot of good stuff has come out of Britain by a lot of good scientists, but try to calm down and learn a bit, or rather a lot more, as a lot has come out of a lot more countries too.

            Also read about the magnetron too

            Try the Wikipedia for each topic.

            1. VoiceOfTruth

              Re: short term thinking

              How wrong you are. Never mind. Go back to your wishing-things-turned-out-for-you mindset.

              1. Casca Silver badge

                Re: short term thinking

                Voice of the moronic has spoken...

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: short term thinking

            How "our" politicians sold this country down the river for their short term gain.

            Short term thinking for sure. I mean, who wouldn't have wanted to say Heil Hilter before your breakfast wheaties every morning.

            I for one would have been happy to stand for the Deutschlandlied before the News from Berlin in 405 lines every night.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: short term thinking

      Not really short term. China will build or steal the tech it wants.

      The question is how fast. If someone sends sophisticated chip production tech to China, the first thing that will happen is that it will be analysed and the IP stolen. That is the history.

      Clearly China will also invent parallel technologies if it can't get the latest tech. But it will take longer.

      Also the rare earths are only in high volume in China because of the refining. Not because they couldn't be elsewhere. Its just a question of ramping up.

      Refining rare earths isn't as challenging as designing and building high-end chips.

      In the end China is in a race before its population drops and from being 1/5-1/6 of the world's population now to 1/10 in 30 years time.

      So it has a short time-window in which to flex its muscles before it too is no longer as powerful. Hence its rush to use the money it has now to buy influence in Africa and South America, to create a legacy of influence when it is no longer as powerful - just as Europe once did.

      Ultimately its a question of how much power everyone else wants to let China have, and whether China is perceived as being a 'valued and trustworthy' partner.

      And anyone who says the EU did this in the past etc etc. The world is different now and what was acceptable once is not longer acceptable.

      And personally I will never trust a company which is owned in a country where the government can click its fingers and demand X or Y.

      It isn't the same in the UK or the US - and anyone who says it is, is misleading themselves because, ultimately people can and do influence how government is run in these places - and if people leak information into the public domain, then they don't disappear. In China, it is impossible to properly hold the government to account.

      In China, the whole approach is 'control' - the government doesn't serve the people, the people serve the government.

      And I, for one, am happy for the Chinese people to do well, but the Chinese government and the Chinese people are not the same thing.

      So until the Chinese government is actually freely chosen by its people, then I'm not keen that we give it any help, even if it means slower growth over here.

  3. Snowy Silver badge

    Made in China 2025

    Means they want to make it locally, they are not going to good long term customers.

    https://nhglobalpartners.com/made-in-china-2025/

  4. localzuk

    Seems obvious really

    The US and other countries are rushing to get their own chip industries sorted, so of course it would end up hurting Taiwan, and not just from the POV presented here - that China will invest internally.

    One of the largest fears the USA has is that China takes over Taiwan and controls the vast majority of chip fabrication. The US would effectively be in-thrall to China for strategic resources. This is one of the reasons the USA is so keen on defending Taiwan.

    If the US manages to get a larger percentage of chips produced at home, it reduces the reliance on Taiwan - so over time, I can see the US's support for them dwindling as well. I mean, if the US is so keen on democracy and freedom, they wouldn't have just left Afghanistan and handed the keys back to the Taliban would they?

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