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Even those who do spend $7* a month to get (or keep) that treasured blue tick next to their name on Twitter may be peeved to find out that soon only verified users will be allowed to vote in polls on the platform. Bring it on: electronic ballots where only 10 people click. Most verified users – outside of, ahem, esteemed news …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    what a twat

    no other words needed to comment on elon.

    1. GioCiampa

      Re: what a twat

      Well... there is this...

      "Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet.” - Elon Musk

      https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633240643727138824

      1. Captain Scarlet
        Coat

        Re: what a twat

        Unless firing staff

        1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

          Re: what a twat

          In which case, his Mustworthiness will not let them know they have been fired at all, and then mock their disability.

    2. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

      Re: what a twat

      I'm not sure how far I should take this, but an anagram of his name is Noel Skum.

      But it's not fair to make a joke of someone's name - it can even be racial abuse.

      But in this case, it's hard to resist.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: what a twat

        > Noel Skum.

        Makes a nice Christmas present. Sort of like Slimygloop but with a muskie scent..

    3. Steve Button Silver badge

      Re: what a twat

      I agree that he's a twat, and the whole "pedo guy" thing really put me off him.

      Having said that, I don't think I've ever set up a Twitter poll, so no loss there. I still think it's an interesting platform, but I won't be paying $8 (or even $1) to use it and get a blue tick.

      Unless I become an "influencer" and it's then a small price to pay for advertising.

      Question is, are The Reg going to pay the $$ to keep the blue tick?

      1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: what a twat

        The problem is, that the people who do use Twitter polls generally do so because they want to get an idea of public opinion, and "blue tick only" is one hell of a selection bias. This renders the Twitter polls (even more) useless for people such as PR companies and political pollsters.

        1. Steve Button Silver badge

          Re: what a twat

          I put Twitter polls into pretty much the same bucket as astrology. A bit of fun to waste a few seconds, and then move along. I don't give them any credence.

        2. Joe W Silver badge

          Re: what a twat

          Didn't Musk make some decisions by Twitter poll? Like, who to (un)ban?

          So... only those who give him money are now allowed to vote. Totally democratic....

          1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

            Re: what a twat

            That's Libertarianism for you…

        3. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          Re: what a twat

          Twitter polls never gauge public opinion just the already selective group sentiment. Making it pay to play could actually make such polls more representative (of the self-selecting groups).

  2. Zippy´s Sausage Factory

    Is his plan really to drive Twitter into the ground? I can see the idea of a subscription service giving you additional benefits, but there comes a point where too many features are locked behind a paywall and people go elsewhere. I'm sure everyone has an example of an app or cloud service thing they've tried, looked at the price and thought "yeah, no that's not worth the extra money" and I can see he's trying to avoid that, but there's also a point where you think "no, the try-before-you-buy is too limited, I'll go somewhere else". You need to hit somewhere in between, and Twitter seems to be starting to tilt towards the latter.

    Still, Mastodon exists, so there's that.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      As does Strawpoll.com

    2. Snake Silver badge

      Re: plan to drive it down to the ground

      "...a recently leaked memo appeared to show Elon thought the whole shebang was only worth half what he paid for it (under $20 billion vs the $44 billion he spent)."

      And note the implication of blame. It's not HIS fault that the product *he* bought went down 50% in value after he got personally involved, oh no. It's the markets, the employees, the lack of user monetization, the libs, the Spaghetti Monster, the aliens who abducted him and did their probes on his "brilliant" mind, maybe the moon phase or sunspots...

      And, if and when it rebounds and stands [back] up in value, it'll be all due to his brilliance. Of course.

      1. Arthur the cat Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: plan to drive it down to the ground

        the aliens who abducted him and did their probes on his "brilliant" mind

        I thought aliens usually probed the other end?

        But then again, it is Musk we're talking about.

        1. aerogems Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: plan to drive it down to the ground

          Where do you think his head is firmly lodged over 99% of the time?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: plan to drive it down to the ground

            > Where do you think his head is firmly lodged over 99% of the time?

            Uranus? Is this meant to be a poll?

            1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

              Re: plan to drive it down to the ground

              When he finally heads over to Mars, a bit like his Roadster going off on the wrong trajectory, his craft could end up in Uranus.

            2. Arthur the cat Silver badge

              Re: plan to drive it down to the ground

              Uranus? Is this meant to be a poll?

              Sorry, no voting in polls without a paid for blue tick.

              1. aerogems Silver badge

                Re: plan to drive it down to the ground

                The only blue tick I support is The Tick.

                https://www.commonsensemedia.org/sites/default/files/styles/social_share_image/public/screenshots/csm-tv/the-tick-ss1.jpg

      2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge
        Pirate

        Re: it'll be all due to his brilliance. Of course.

        After all, the inventor and creator of Tesla can do no wrong can they?

        [hint, he did not start Tesla. He came long later with loadsamoney]

      3. iron Silver badge

        Re: plan to drive it down to the ground

        It wasn't even worth 44 billion to begin with, he only paid that much in order to make a 420 pot joke.

        So he over inflated the cost and then drove the product into the ground, of course he's responsible for it not being worth what he paid for it.

    3. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      I looked at Mastodon (specifically at a couple of servers that cater to my interests) and didn't find it appealing, even if it's less obnoxious than Twitter. But it's nice there's an alternative for people who want that sort of thing.

  3. TonyJ

    I can see the value...

    ...in a way, of making everyone pay, and be somehow verified. After all, it might just make the bottom feeding trolls think twice about harassing people if they can actually be more readily held to account. Of course, there are ways to help do that anyway, should they have wanted to.

    But, if you are forcing people to pay then that should be your revenue stream and NOT selling user info to every Tom, Dick and Harry that wants it.

    And also perhaps some other verification method to replace the previous blue tick. Gold kitchen sink, perhaps?

    I have an account on Twitter for funny stuff (Fesshole, etc). I almost never post anything and don't engage in the obvious baiting that goes on but my god, in most cases it does seem to be a cesspit.

    1. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

      Re: I can see the value...

      But can everyone in the world who wants to be heard, or to hear, find $8 a month for Elon Musk?

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: I can see the value...

        I have never posted anything on Twitter, and I have no problem being heard. I quit reading Twitter years ago, and I have no problem hearing. Not seeing the problem.

    2. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: I can see the value...

      ...in a way, of making everyone pay, and be somehow verified.

      But all the new blue tick verifies is that you're stupid enough to pay Musk $8/month. Note that he's talking about giving blue tick subscribers the ability to hide the fact so they don't get mocked.

    3. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: I can see the value...

      After all, it might just make the bottom feeding trolls think twice about harassing people if they can actually be more readily held to account.

      Certainly worked for SomethingAwful! Oh, wait.

      Which is not to say that SomethingAwful wasn't a remarkable cultural phenomenon in its own right, and in places far more entertaining than anything I've ever seen that originally appeared on Twitter (according to citations, since I stopped reading anything on Twitter after just a month or so). Or that SA's pay-to-play system wasn't successful under its own terms. Or that there were no consequences – 4chan, for example, was created by and for people who were booted from SA. But there was plenty of bad behavior on SA; the goons more or less invented doxxing, for example. And that's to say nothing of the complexities and tragedies of Lowtax's own story.

  4. A. Coatsworth Silver badge
    Pirate

    Given the current situation of the world, a tall, cold glass of Novi~Cola is looking more and more appealing by the day

    1. My-Handle

      And on the plus side, if you're on a movie date with ol' Vlad, you might just manage to switch drinks with him completely by accident. That might go some way to fixing the current world situation.

      1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

        if you're on a movie date with ol' Vlad, you might just manage to switch drinks with him

        Difficult when sitting at opposite ends of a cricket pitch sized table.

        1. My-Handle

          How's your bowling arm?

          1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

            How's your bowling arm?

            Not as good as it was (spin bowler so too much chance of it going in the wrong direction..)

  5. BD 1
    FAIL

    $7? $8? a month for a verified Twitter account? I wish.

    Twitter on my Android app seems very keen to charge me £11/month, with a generous offer of £114.99 for a whole year. I have ever seen a less enticing offer in my entire puff.

    1. GioCiampa

      Presumably (as with Apple) it's covering the extra for their 30% take if you pay through the app rather then online.

    2. Solviva

      Change your billing address to Beverly Hills 90210. No sales tax there....

  6. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

    A musk Twitter suggestion. The first thing is to give it a couple of months to see if it (a) emerges in a working form, (b) doesn't get reversed when it turns out to be a bad idea, and (c) Twitter hasn't run out of money and been taken over by the creditors.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      I would vote (c), but I can't because I'm not a subscriber.

    2. FrogsAndChips Silver badge

      (b) has already happened in the form of a 'U-turn that is not a U-turn' as His Muskness clarified that he had 'forgotten' to say that, of course, if you follow any account they will still show in your 'For you' feed regardless of their blue-tickage.

  7. Vincent van Gopher
    Coat

    How long . . .

    before Twitter goes twitsup?

    Hey there Musky. What happened? What happened?

    1. Steve Button Silver badge

      Re: How long . . .

      Unless you start seeing a large number of the BIG accounts disappear off the platform, because they are upset about having to pay to keep the blue tick, then I can't see the whole platform going titsup.

      1. NoneSuch Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: How long . . .

        "I can't see the whole platform going titsup."

        I remember someone on MySpace saying the same thing.

        1. aerogems Silver badge

          Re: How long . . .

          MySpace is still around, and never really went anywhere. It's just been operating beneath most people's notice for the last several years. This would actually be an excellent time for them to try to remind people that they may have old accounts they'd forgotten about and if they're not happy with Facebook and/or Twitter, maybe give them another try. They may be able to grow their userbase by a few percentage points. Keep nibbling around the edges like that and pretty soon they may reach some lofty heights. Probably nothing like their heyday, but at least to the point where people don't routinely forget they exist. And after Twitter implodes, they could become the #2 social network. A distant #2, but #2 just the same.

          1. zuckzuckgo Silver badge

            Re: How long . . .

            Maybe they will rename it MySpaceX. See if they can attract a buyer.

      2. aerogems Silver badge

        Re: How long . . .

        I can. The technical debt on the back end, the mounting bills (like with AWS) that aren't being paid, the destruction of vital infrastructure (like the shutting down of a SF data center), and just overworking all the employees.

        * Technical debt: Most (all?) of the people who really understood how Twitter worked are gone, and everyone left is just trying their best to keep things going as best they can. There's also probably no one left making sure that all applicable regional laws and regulations are being followed.

        * Mounting bills: They haven't paid rent on basically any of their offices (and have been evicted from a couple) with lawsuits around the globe piling up, there's probably billions of dollars owed in unpaid severance to employees fired in the various rounds of mass firings, a lot of those firings probably weren't kosher with EU law. Advertisers have fled in massive numbers because they don't want to have their products associated with comments from nazis, white supremacists, misogynists, and various other undesirables that Twitler has laid out the welcome mat for, so there's maybe 50% less revenue to work with when paying bills.

        * Destruction of vital infrastructure: They've shut down at least one data center for no discernable good reason, aren't paying Amazon for their AWS (and it's only going to be so long before Amazon gets tired of accepting advertising in exchange), and we've seen how any change controls on the Twitter code have gone out the window when one person has been able to bring down the entire service by accident.

        * Overworking employees: How long do you suppose the average person in their 20s or 30s could work 12-hours a day, 7-days a week, before they burn out? Maybe 6-months? And long before that they'll start making mistakes in their work because they aren't well rested. There's no one to cover for them if someone gets sick or wants to take a vacation. I hope it doesn't happen, but this sweatshop bullshit is the sort of thing I could see triggering a workplace shooter event. If I were the SFPD, I'd be sure to keep a squad car or two in the general area of Twitter HQ, because it's probably only a matter of time before someone snaps. Twitler already has his bodyguards follow him into the bathroom he's so paranoid, but a gun is a great equalizer. Doesn't matter if you're 250lbs of solid muscle, a 180lbs weakling can take you down with a single shot. Kind of a dark note to end on, but it is what it is. People are not machines, and there's only so much stress they can endure.

        1. tiggity Silver badge

          Re: How long . . .

          @aerogems

          180 lb weakling?

          In UK terms that's nearly 13 stone

          You can be quite a strong good amount of muscle person at that weight if you are not tall e.g. 5-8 or 5-9

          On the polls point, surely most social media polls are useless due to "echo chambers" (a lot of people don't tend to follow people they massively disagree with so ) so they will generally be seen by people who share similar views

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: How long . . .

            weight has no advantage, just means your going down harder when knocked out

    2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: How long . . .

      As soon as it makes sense to the accountants…

  8. hfo1

    It's just a game

    I think it was Charlie Brooker who said the best way to understand Twitter is that it is a MMORPG. Elon is just making it pay to win.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It's just a game

      weird that it's really "pay to lose" both respect and money

  9. Omnipresent Bronze badge

    He's a putin minion

    In case some of you haven't realized yet, the russians and middle east (doing putins bidding) are the ones paying. If you are on the twits, you are being subjugated to russian cult brain washing. Twit is pretty much useless at this point. He's being saved by the russian's with a saudi money line for a reason.

  10. Howard Sway Silver badge

    When challenged on this, Musk said it was a bot busting move

    Who does he think he is? Miley Cyrus? Well, I suppose he did come in like a wrecking ball.....

    On the other hand it could be the case that it's his botty that goes bust if this causes more people to flee what is becoming more and more like a kind of of social media extortion racket.

  11. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

    Why am I not surprised the Musk thinks the opinion of people with no money to waste isn't worth listening to.

    Kind of typical of his ilk, don't you think?

    1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      re: people with money to waste?

      Indeed. Many Tesla owners have tried to get their computers on wheels repaired in a timely manner and failed miserable. Their bit of Tesla tech becomes an expensive bit of tat.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: re: people with money to waste?

        always was expensive tat

  12. chivo243 Silver badge
    Holmes

    yawn...

    I'm tiring of this piecemeal picking at twitter's scabs... just cut the freakin jugular, hang it upside down, and be done with it. We can then move on to focusing on the TikTok drama... at least that has some IT angle...

    Where's Paris when I need her!

  13. DS999 Silver badge

    $1000 a month for a verified organization?

    So I guess no one will be getting their local business verified anymore, and the chance of impersonation and the fact the posts won't be seen due much due to not paying up will mean they probably abandon Twitter in droves.

  14. aerogems Silver badge
    Windows

    Every time you think Twitler has hit peak stupid with Twitter, things like this happen.

    This has nothing at all to do with bots or anything other than feeding Twitler's ego. He's clearly still upset the world told him to take a hike as CEO, and now he's trying to turn the entire service into a giant simp factory to stroke his ego. The only people who will be able to vote, or have their comments seen by anyone else, will be the people who pay up. And the people who are likely to pay up are Twitler simps. And of course none of this will do anything to stop the massive bleeding at Twitter because Twitler doesn't understand the business at a fundamental level.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      And the Reg only picks up some of the biggest stories. I've been reading Twitter is Going Great (inspired by Molly White's terrific Web3 Is Going Great, of course), and there are Just. So. Many. incidental anecdotes of Musk's hypocrisy, lies, and mistakes. Personally, as a Twitter refusenik, I'm finding it all quite entertaining.

  15. arctic_haze

    Where are all the fans of Elon Musk?

    I come to the Twitter-related comment pages to see how many fanboys are still clinging to whatever they cling. It seems this species is almost extinct by now. Or maybe Elon started to save money on paid trolls, recently.

  16. TheMaskedMan Silver badge

    There may be a plan here so cunning as to be worthy of Baldrick himself. Clearly the aim is to either convert non-paying twits into paying twits, or drive them off the platform. And why not? They put wear and tear on the servers, sprout endless - often insulting - crap, and don't appeal much to advertisers. Whereas a smaller group of verified users requires less resources, is easier to control, and might well be very attractive to advertisers.

    If the endless background of bickering and trolling could be silenced, or at least muffled, the platform might even appeal to people - like me, for eg - who currently wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

    When you've once acquired a pool of users who are willing and able to pay, you can upsell them more features, too.

    Of course, it's risky. You might lose so many users that the few who remain aren't profitable enough. But Twitter isn't exactly making money at the moment, is it? Might be worth a try.

    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      "They [non-paying users] [...] don't appeal much to advertisers. Whereas a smaller group of verified users requires less resources, is easier to control, and might well be very attractive to advertisers."

      I'm not sure the advertising industry works the way you describe. Sure, a smaller set of targets you already know don't mind wasting a subscription payment is more valuable than a bunch of randoms, but that's the case because, if you can pay for number of ads delivered, you benefit by sending them to good targets alone. If you can't target them, however, you want as many impressions as you can get; a lot of them will ignore it, but the more people see the ad, the more recognition your name has. Cutting the number of users won't lead to celebration in advertising departments. Those who target already have or think they have better ways to identify good prospects than just the people who pay Twitter, and those that don't target appreciate that millions of people see their advert.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I voted years ago..

    I had a look, found it a total waste of time and *way* too interruptive and bailed.

    Never found a reason to change that decision, more the opposite.

    Musk getting involved just made it certain I won't touch it again.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: I voted years ago..

      Agreed. I've seen quite a few people working in some of my areas, such as software security, claim Twitter is necessary or invaluable or terribly important to their work. I don't believe it. I've never seen anything, found out it had appeared on Twitter earlier, and regretted not seeing it then. It Just Doesn't Matter.

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