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The possibility of the world's first successful privately funded and operated Moon landing is looking a little more likely after Japanese aerospace outfit ispace announced its Hakuto-R lander successfully completed a lunar orbit insertion maneuver on Tuesday. The lander took a three-month journey to the Moon after launching …

  1. Sceptic Tank Silver badge
    Devil

    Lunatic Mission

    Landing on the moon should be similar to falling out of a tree when a branch breaks: you hold on to the branch and then you climb off just before it hits the ground.

  2. midgepad

    Well done

    So far

  3. Wellyboot Silver badge
    Happy

    Japanese transformable robot on the Moon

    Why? - Because they could

    1. Red Ted
      Go

      Re: Japanese transformable robot on the Moon

      "Transformers - Robots in disguise"

      1. hplasm
        Terminator

        Re: Japanese transformable robot on the Moon

        "Transformers - Robots in disguise"

        That also hum when they are bored of waiting for the call to robot apocalypse...

        eek :)

  4. KittenHuffer Silver badge
    Boffin

    Wish there were more info on the transfer orbit

    My first thought would be - How does going nearly 4 times the distance past the Moon give a lower energy transfer than going direct?

    My best guess would be that out there you can start thrusting sideways to gain orbital velocity, and then by diving in toward the Moon's orbit you can more cheaply match the Moon's orbital speed and position than if you try to gain all of the orbital speed whilst on the way out to the Moon.

    If that's the case then hats off to the boffin that came up with that one.

    1. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

      Re: Wish there were more info on the transfer orbit

      going nearly 4 times the distance past the Moon

      The satnav in my car gets really annoyed if I go past a junction by a few metres - the navigation do-dah in there must be absolutely apoplectic

      1. Roger Greenwood

        Re: Wish there were more info on the transfer orbit

        This is the kind of comment that ChatGPT may be able to produce one day. But not today, thank goodness.

    2. tony72

      Re: Wish there were more info on the transfer orbit

      I'm no orbital mechanics expert (much the opposite, in fact). But bear in mind that it takes energy to speed up, and energy to slow down, that your destination isn't just a place, it's an orbit, and that the Earth and the Moon are in motion. Going the shortest *distance* to the Moon would mean leaving Earth orbit at a point where you are travelling at ninety degrees to the Moon's orbit, powering out radially to the Moon's orbital path, and then decelerating, timing it so you reach that orbit when the Moon is actually there. But if you did that, you wouldn't be in orbit around the Moon; the Moon would flash past you and off into the distance, and you'd be left sitting there like an idiot. I imagine you want to leave Earth's orbit on a curved path such that you're expanding out towards the Moon's orbit and maybe catching up to it, such that when you catch up to it, you minimize the burns needed to put yourself in orbit around it, but I wouldn't want to be too specific, because I don't know any of the orbital velocities involved off the top of my head.

      1. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

        Re: Wish there were more info on the transfer orbit

        your destination isn't just a place, it's an orbit

        A phrase to be coming to a motivational poster near you soon

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Wish there were more info on the transfer orbit

          The mafia variant: "your destination isn't just a place, it's an obit"..

          :)

          1. Paul Herber Silver badge

            Re: Wish there were more info on the transfer orbit

            The Horse's Head Nebula?

      2. iron

        Re: Wish there were more info on the transfer orbit

        > travelling at ninety degrees to the Moon's orbit, powering out radially to the Moon's orbital path,

        There are no straight lines in space. Everything moves in a curve.

        > timing it so you reach that orbit when the Moon is actually there. But if you did that, you wouldn't be in orbit around the Moon; the Moon would flash past you and off into the distance

        You get captured by the moon's sphere of influence (gravity) which adjusts your trajectory - this is how slingshot flight plans work. Then once at your moon periapsis you burn retrograde (backwards) to slow down and enter orbit. This is the insertion burn mentioned in the article.

        Orbital mechanics is actually quite simple. Its the getting things there such that they don't explode / implode / freeze / etc that is the hard part.

      3. hplasm
        Thumb Up

        Re: Wish there were more info on the transfer orbit

        Nice explanation!

  5. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

    I'm going into the moon traffic light business

    There's so much going on there that at some point we're going to need some traffic management, so I think I may get in early..

    :)

  6. Zolko Silver badge

    why not Europe ?

    Why does it seem that every nation on Earth goes to the Moon, except us Europeans ?

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