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SVB Financial Group, parent to the imploded Silicon Valley Bank (SVB), has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection less than a week after the top tech bank imploded. In a statement on Friday, SVB Financial Group said it had filed a petition for court-supervised reorganization under Chapter 11 in the Southern District of New …

  1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
    Facepalm

    De ja Vue

    Have we not been here before?

    And not learned the lessons?

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: De ja Vue

      The lesson of history in general is that the lessons are never learned.

    2. Richard 12 Silver badge
      Holmes

      Re: De ja Vue

      Trump repealed the laws that would have prevented SVB from operating the way it did.

      SVB was a major lobbyist to repeal those laws.

      They would have immediately failed the "stress tests" had they remained in place, as they were completely exposed to even small changes in interest rates. You'd never get a mortgage or business loan if you operated like SVB, for example.

      Funny how that works.

      1. Lil Endian

        Re: De ja Vue

        "You don't make such inquiries in the City. They seemed like decent chaps. Decent chaps don't check up on decent chaps to see if they're behaving like decent chaps."

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: De ja Vue

          That's pretty much how the whole CDO mess started. There were only a few smart people who suddenly discovered that the whole system was hollow as f*ck, and they got laughed at for betting against the system - until it all collapsed in a heap.

          The best movie about it was The Big Short, worth watching as it's very well made and pretty much play by play shows what waht really happening, including the rating agencies being in bed with those who they rated..

        2. Bebu

          Re: De ja Vue

          "You don't make such inquiries in the City. They seemed like decent chaps. Decent chaps don't check up on decent chaps to see if they're behaving like decent chaps."

          More from the same source - we would be grateful today if Jim Hacker and Sir Humpty were running the country.

          "Just the one. [rule]

          If you're incompetent, you have to be honest.

          If you're crooked, you have to be clever.

          If you're honest and make a pig's breakfast of things, chaps help you out.

          - If you're crooked? - With good profits, chaps don't ask questions"

          https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=yes-prime-minister-1986&episode=s02e04

          1. Lil Endian
            Pint

            Re: De ja Vue

            If you're incompetent, you have to be honest.

            "Some of my best friends behave honestly. None are smart enough to get away with it."

            As I'm sure has been said many times on these forums, top stuff, and still as true today as it was then.

      2. gnasher729 Silver badge

        Re: De ja Vue

        That’s your view. I see that their deposits grew from 60bn to 210bn in a very short time, which means they had to invest 150bn fast and safe. That’s not easy. And nobody can complain their investment isn’t safe.

        High interest rates are quite recent.

        1. sgp

          Re: De ja Vue

          They had no one in charge of risks for the better part of last year. They had no diversification. They did not have to invest everything into 10 year bonds. But they did because of greed. And this is the result.

        2. Richard 12 Silver badge

          Re: De ja Vue

          It was supposed to be a bank, not an investment vehicle. Banks are required to give current account depositors their money at any time - so need a lot of liquid (or easily liquidated) assets.

          Ten year bonds are pretty much as illiquid as you can get.

          They also didn't pay any attention to who their depositors actually were. While they had many thousands of business accounts, most of them were effectively controlled by the same small number of VCs.

          So when one VC gets worried about a bank, a thousand companies are required to withdraw everything, lest the VC lose their investment.

      3. SundogUK Silver badge

        Re: De ja Vue

        The laws Trump repealed would not have made the slightest difference to this. This was simply shitty management by a company who thought they were 'too big to fail.'

      4. I miss PL/1

        Re: De ja Vue

        SVB works have passed the stress tests ava they still would have failed. The regulators were already warning in 2019 that SVB had a problem. The question is why did no one do anything?

        This is not another Trump TDS fit.

  2. usbac

    "When banks fail due to mismanagement and excessive risk, it should be easier for regulators to claw back compensation from executives, to impose civil penalties, and to ban executives from working in the banking industry again,"

    That sounds good on the campaign trail at least.

    Don't expect Congress to enact any laws that actually hold bankers responsible for their actions. That would be Un-American. After all, the money comes from the bankers, and how are the little white envelopes going to be filled without that money?

    1. chivo243 Silver badge
      Alert

      I agree, but President Biden seems to be doing some swimming against the current lately. Just keep swimming? It's all so weird...

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      He might had had a chance when the Dems ran that place, but much less so with the Reps in charge. Most will oppose it just because Biden is calling for it, even if they agree "something needs to be done".

  3. chivo243 Silver badge
    Pirate

    too lazy to look

    Did his muskratiness borrow money from this institution? Enquiring minds and all that... The pieces of the big picture are starting to fall into place. Perhaps a great world crisis is upon us? Just like my daddy said, and his daddy before?

    Damn, I miss Paris!

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: too lazy to look

      Their problem is that NOBODY borrowed money from them. Banks make money on loans and lose money on deposits.

      All their customers deposited the $MM from VCs, those sat in the bank paying 0% interest. The bank needed to raise money to pay wages so bought long term US government bonds paying 1% - the safest thing you could possibly do

      Then all their customers began taking money out of their accounts to pay their bills, and no new money came in

      It might sound fun on the internet for the government to let them go bust. Keep the bonds they bought and make a profit - and destroy the USA's tech and biotech industry

      1. Esoteric Eric

        Re: too lazy to look

        fuck em

        and if you keep demanding the public cover capitalists losses, then fuck you too

        1. ecofeco Silver badge

          Re: too lazy to look

          Too much moral hazard the world these days.

          Fuck'em, indeed.

        2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: too lazy to look

          Yep wipe out businesses that deposited their money there, and have them miss payroll and go bust, and have their employees not make rent.

          (Hope none of the biotechs that banked with them were about to cure cancer.)

          Then next week every company banking with a regional bank pulls all their money out. So those banks call in all their loans. So every farmer, and every small business, across America is bankrupt by the weekend.

          But fsck capitalism ! Except Wall St will make $$$ buying all those assets for pennies, and they can have their food imported.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: too lazy to look

            @Yet Another Anonymous coward

            Continual bail by the tax payer out of companies <too big to fail> is not acceptable.

            That's what regulation is supposed to prevent. And yet it (still) doesn't.

            Especially when millions of US citizens don't have access to decent health care and know it won't improve anytime soon because "bank bailouts are are more important".

            1. sgp

              Re: too lazy to look

              That's what Dodd-Frank did in 2010. However it was substantially reverted in 2018 under the orange clown.

        3. abetancort

          Re: too lazy to look

          Depositors should not suffer from bank mismanagement and failure of proper oversight from the government. Depositors just put cash in a bank without an expectation of great returns but stable and low ones and the ability to withdraw on-sight their balances.

      2. abetancort

        Re: too lazy to look

        They grossly mismanaged the durations of their portfolios and their diversification of clients. The government should not let them fall but should not allow them and any related corporation to enter chapter 11. All assets and liabilities of any associated companies should be auctioned to other banks and financial institutions to make the government whole. Management, directors, and activist shareholders should be liable for the difference.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Quell surprise.

    Big war is coming as it has done through the centuries. It's the way we deal with unlimited growth. It can never be unlimited. Banks will fall. Banks will still profit. People will fight for a way of life that is not their own.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Will there be wailing and gnashing of teeth ?

      Will the seas be as of blood?

      Will the mountains crumble ?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        No one is going to take the Nuclear option that's for sure.

        There will however be people that run out of toilet roll in any conflict. That is for sure.

        1. TimMaher Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Toilet rolls.

          That is really funny because...

          ... on Thursday, in Morrisons car park, an American bloke shouted across to his wife, who was getting the trolley,

          “Buy up all of the toilet rolls! Credit Suisse is going bust.”

          He was joking, as I had to explain to my BH, as they hadn’t really been listening, and asked what that was all about.

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Toilet rolls.

            That would be very selfish.

            Sell fish?

            Reddit: everybody sell fish, fish is going to zero.

            CNBC: in no news today international fish futures crashed.

            1. Lil Endian

              International Fish Futures Crashed

              Oh cod! I'm in it up to my gills, squids in! I should've seen it wouldn't scale up from the bass rate. The film of my life will just say 'fin'...

              Ah! That feels batter!

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "In a joint statement, the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve emphasized that none of the losses would be borne by taxpayers."

    Which is a lie and they know it. Statement very carefully does not say where the money comes from and it has to come from somewhere.

    Unidentified payer always means it's the taxpayer. Either directly or indirectly, where FED creates couple of trillion dollars from thin air, again, lowering the value of the dollar.

    M3 (money supply) shows continuous >30% yearly increase (~inflation) since mid-2021. Obviously FED doesn't give a f**k for a few trillions more.

    1. SundogUK Silver badge

      Yeah, but the SVB investors (and SVB themselves) were woke as fuck, so the Biden administration is obviously going to bail them out somehow.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "woke as fuck"

        RWNJ trigger warning.

  6. mpi Silver badge

    "In a joint statement, the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve emphasized that none of the losses would be borne by taxpayers."

    Oh?

    Who will they be borne by then if I may ask?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      He explained - devaluation.

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