back to article Why our solar-storm sats corrode – and probably not what you expected

Spacecraft monitoring the Sun for potentially deadly solar storms have been degrading – and now scientists think they've worked out why. Boffins at America's National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and the University of Colorado Boulder's Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics (LASP) have spent years trying …

  1. JimmyPage
    Happy

    Real science

    love it !

    1. Version 1.0 Silver badge
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      Re: Real science

      It might be related to how the environment changed on a big rock circling the sun about 4.5 billion years ago, eventually leading to a little water and some molecules in the puddles that started to reproduce, after creating a little more oxygen for the atmosphere.

  2. Sgt_Oddball
    Coat

    In space....

    No one can hear you steam...

    Mines the one with the Nostromo patch...

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      Re: In space....

      I regret I have but one upvote to give.

      Bravo!

    2. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

      Re: In space....

      Aaaand we have a winner.

      Beautiful :)

  3. xyz Silver badge

    Water vapor released by thermal blankets....

    Sounds a bit similar to the old... swamp gas hit a weather balloon and refracted the light from Venus... explanation.

  4. Joe Gurman

    Why, you may ask, do this instruments have alumin[i]um entrance filters in the first place?

    They reject visible solar light, which is many orders of magnitude brighter than the extreme ultraviolet (EUV) light the instruments observe, while transmitting, as noted, most of the EUV light.

    Why, you may ask, do we want instruments that observe EUV emission from the Sun? Most of it comes from the solar corona, the tenuous, outermost part of the Sun's atmosphere where a good deal of solar activity originates — and where variability in the solar output is much larger than in the visible.

    1. mevets

      Why, you may ask, were you picked on at school?

      Was it the "you mask ask" bit, or the "do this instruments" babble?

    2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Why, you may ask, do this instruments have alumin[i]um entrance filters in the first place?

      Why, you may ask, do we want instruments that observe EUV emission from the Sun? Most of it comes from the solar corona, the tenuous, outermost part of the Sun's atmosphere where a good deal of solar activity originates — and where variability in the solar output is much larger than in the visible.

      Yup. UV plays a huge role in atmospheric photochemistry, so variations in UV would lead to variability in our atmosphere. Most commonly known one is probably the effect on ozone, and the ozone 'hole'. Understanding that variability helps us understand our atmosphere better, which then feeds into understanding our climate. Ripping from wiki-

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_irradiance

      This means that the approximately circular disc of the Earth, as viewed from the Sun, receives a roughly stable 1361 W/m2 at all times.

      Which is a typically bold assumption. We know from observations that gross output does vary by a few W/m2. For climate change, that leads into an 'effect exceeds cause' problem because the effect isn't energetic enough to really explain past (or present) climate change. Experiments like these do show variability in spectral output though, and we know different wavelengths have different effects on photochemisty from atmosphere down to plant life. What we don't have is a lot of data to show variability over time to draw meaningful conclusions from though.

  5. Snowy Silver badge
    Joke

    They are leaking water

    and are surprised they have something rusting.

  6. ravenviz Silver badge

    H2O continues to surprise!

  7. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Pint

    Now that is one hell of a debugging !

    And deserves one hell of a pint.

  8. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    Adjusting the filters feels like a workaround.

    Would it not be better to change the thermal blanket material to something less hygroscopic?

    Is this a case of optical scientists only seeing the solution that is within their skill set?

    Maybe both solutions together would give the filters a much longer life.

    1. Ace2 Silver badge

      Re: Adjusting the filters feels like a workaround.

      Or bake it, hard, before sending it up?

    2. Potemkine! Silver badge

      Re: Adjusting the filters feels like a workaround.

      Would it not be better to change the thermal blanket material to something less hygroscopic?

      1) Because "less" could be not enough

      2) There isn't many alternative to Kapton, which benefits also from huge returns of experience.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Adjusting the filters feels like a workaround.

        Kapton is polyimide. Mylar is PET. PETs are notoriously hygroscopic (kapton/polyimides not so much).

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Steamy windows

    Why did the spacecraft blush?

    Because the sun forgot to pull down it’s shade.

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