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Technology providers can expect more regulations, while cyber criminals can look for US law enforcement to step up their efforts to disrupt ransomware gangs and other illicit activities, under the Biden administration's computer security plan announced on Thursday. The long-awaited National Cybersecurity Strategy calls for …

  1. jake Silver badge

    These are the same idiots ...

    ... who can't even put a stop to the fraudulent telephone calls that people receive constantly. (I mean, how hard is it? If CID claims it's from one place, but SS7 says it's from another nation entirely, nuke the call. Done.)

    I do not expect anything to come of this latest campaign speech (which is all it is), except possibly yet another a billion-plus dollar bureaucracy making life as difficult as possible for the little guy who is just trying to earn a living, while making a small handful of already very rich people even richer.

    1. hayzoos

      Re: These are the same idiots ...

      Spoofing a number is literally a feature. The true originating number is not always transmitted by each switching office on the way to the destination. It really is not much different than email on that aspect.

      The originating carrier does know the true number. The terminating carrier chooses whether accept the call without a number. Blame all around.

      As per the article, I say better than status quo. Elon Musk is trying to run his car company like a software company, ignore all liability, fingers in the ears, na na na I can't hear you. Something needs done since so much is becoming dependent on software. It is a realization of "the computer said so" does not mean it must be. There is the danger of implementation by committee of luddites.

    2. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

      Re: These are the same idiots ...

      It's not idiocy, it's politician laziness and greed. If there's a new law that says, "Stop doing X, do Y instead" you can bet that activity X will be immediately halted and activity Y will never start. It's time and money saved.

      Create privacy laws and enforce them - Half done

      Make robocalls illegal and fight telecoms supporting them - Half done

      Stop arresting mentally ill people and provide them with treatment - Half done

      Stop the war on drugs and divert money to prevention - Half done

      Adopting minimum security standards and holding software companies liable - Will be half done

      The US government can't accomplish anything unless it triggers a zealous lunatic faction on the fabricated social topic du jour. We'll need some talk show hosts to get hacked.

    3. Version 1.0 Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: These are the same idiots ...

      When I answer the phone these days, "Ock, canna elp oo, doya wan taulk dom e?" and the fakers just hang up, my friends just start laughing.

      1. ravenviz Silver badge

        Re: These are the same idiots ...

        I trolled one enough for them to tell me to 'f*ck off' Victory!

        1. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

          Re: These are the same idiots ...

          Why waste your own time?

          "Hello. This is Lenny."

  2. bazza Silver badge

    Wasn't there a report recently that estimated the loss to the US economy due to dodgy unreliable software was $3trillion a year, including time lost just trying to make it work?

    Before commenting on the lunacy of the administration, it's worth contemplating that number for some moments.

    Yep, it's too big a number to ignore. It's an assessment of how much the Software industry is ripping off the US. One software company doing a poor job is ignorable. The entire sector getting it wrong is another thing altogether.

    The basis of the problem of course is your typical eula. They absolve the vendor of any liability whatsoever, but in the old days QC and testing was a thing. However managements all over the industry have used the eula as a reason to dispense with the QC. What it looks like the Biden administration is thinking of doing is, in effect, forcing software vendors to do Quality Control once more.

    And this could be bad news for Open Source. You pick up some package for nowt off NPM, who is the responsible person? You incorporate Linux in something, who takes the blame for the CVE that pops up later? If you've used the gcc or clang compilers, good though they may be, and it turns out there is flaw in the code they build / libraries they use, what then? Basically, if eula's can no longer absolve the author of liability for bugs, the authors are going to have to do a lot more QC than is typical of most OS projects

    And if the CPU underneath has a flaw, as seems to be a daily experience at present, then what?

    There are ways to structure law to accommodate things like OSS. So it's probably better to engage with the politicians positively, rather than ignore or deride them for wanting to fix a $3trillion problem.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      And this could be bad news for Open Source.

      From TFA:

      (If you're wondering where open source code fits into this planned approach to liability, the strategy has this to say: "Responsibility must be placed on the stakeholders most capable of taking action to prevent bad outcomes, not on the end-users that often bear the consequences of insecure software nor on the open-source developer of a component that is integrated into a commercial product.")

      That answers your question "You pick up some package for nowt off NPM, who is the responsible person?". You are, at least in the first instance. If the package is deliberate malware then the author, and any third party who planted it in the repository, would also be responsible. If a particular repository were to become conspicuous for hosting malware then its operators might also become responsible; it would certainly encourage them to be able to demonstrate that they were making serious efforts to curate the contents.

      My take on this is that it gives those who use FOSS in commercial products an incentive to take a more active interest in what it is they're using, review it, fix problems and send the fixes upstream.

    2. Dimmer Silver badge

      I can agree with what you are saying from one context but you missed the cost of doing the paperwork and meeting the compliance requirements.

      People move from high tax states, same will be with software. You will not write it if you risk losing your home. You will find other work. Just like price fixing, there will be shortages. As a consumer, we want the risk to be on the person that can reduce it, the writer of the software.

      if Liability is a cost that is alway considered in your life. The more liability they can push on you, the better for them. Next time you want to purchase software, look for the vendors SUPPORT number. Call it and see if you get a live person. Industry standard is to push all service and support cost to the consumer.

      I know You guys know that software has many components layers and people involved before you can use it.

      That said, open source, freeware, quality is your problem. When I pay for it, I expect it to work as advertised (not what I assume it will do) or I get my money back and paid for the time I spent proving to them it IS their crap that does not work.

    3. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Quote

      "Wasn't there a report recently that estimated the loss to the US economy due to dodgy unreliable software was $3trillion a year, including time lost just trying to make it work?"

      And just how many el-reg contributors have spent time getting software from one company in particular working as it should and securing it from threats. and thats from the company itself before any external threats get near it.

      My own view is that the current EULAs should be thrown out and a new one forced into their place

      "Any time used to correct faults within this product are billable to the supplying company at $100/hour"

      Maybe that will concetrate minds when for some mad reason our win11 box will not print to the HP printer in the office, but all the win10 machines will. while all the time if you use the web admin function on the printer , you can see the printer on the network and admin it from every box on the network........

      (and yes... we have installed the official HP drivers for win 11 on the win11 box....)

  3. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Terminator

    Crappy insecure software in Biden's crosshairs

    How does he feel about ChatGPT and friends?

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    1. bazza Silver badge

      Re: Awesome!

      Are you suggesting Quality Control is impossible?

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  5. codejunky Silver badge

    Ha

    "And this will trickle down to private-sector organizations as well, he added."

    I read that line and had to laugh. I wonder how many aneurysms that causes amongst the usual

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ha

      "BLOODY COMMiE STATE" etc., the right scream, whilst at the same time singing Putins praises

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Lawmaker at work: "We are doing something..."

    Here at White Hat Mansions, there's a suburban street outside with a 30mph speed limit.

    Nevertheless, the AMG Mercs and M5 BMWs are regularly doing 70mph along this street.

    Law passed......job done? Not at all......if, as in this case, there is ABSOLUTELY NO ENFORCEMENT!!!!

    Same with all this noise about "laws about computer systems".....you know...."making us safer"....."stopping criminal activity"..............

    ..........it's all just public posturing about lawmakers "doing something".

    I'll start to believe that when I hear about the criminals responsible for the Equifax hack....responsible for the Solar Winds hack......if these people are fined millions of dollars and serve ten or fifteen years in prison...............

    But of course I'll never see that in the news...............because there is no budget for even modest enforcement................

  7. Surreal
    Boffin

    NT4's C2 Certified! Cyber-ITL! Bueller, Bueller?

    I remember when Microsoft announced that NT4 was C2 Certified! "Woohoo; now please stop looking at NetWare!" [ No NIC or floppy drive included, YMMV ]

    Rather promptly, nobody talked about the Rainbow Books in the present tense again.

    As recently as 2018 Mudge & Sarah's Cyber-ITL.org was testing OSs and software, and publishing the results for free! Then, they stopped.

    Can we never have nice things?!?

    That's all. The cat says it's time for my nap.

    1. LateAgain

      Re: NT4's C2 Certified! Cyber-ITL! Bueller, Bueller?

      And now we have windows 10 (the last version of windows) and windows 11 (!)

      That don't survive long enough for acceptance testing.

  8. froggreatest
    Go

    It depends

    If this materialises into something that triggers IETF efforts like SCITT then it is great - without standards we’ll be lost; if it forces more due diligence for software vendors (regular qa and pen tests where the results are visible to the purchaser) it is also great - managers will be forced to factor that into the price instead of “thinking” it will be ok.

    Otherwise the software prices will skyrocket as nobody will want to claim responsibility for the bugs in OSS packages (although most of the product is made of those). OSS licensing already contains statements “use at your own risk”. The other option would be to build inhouse components but yeah it would be extremely expensive and bug ridden.

    Also, if I (engineer) was asked to become responsible and face possible jail term the I’d just quit and do my gardening. Some of the bugs are not just a simple mistake in a line of code but rather a collection of code changes made by all seasoned and junior engs and managers; or rather prototypes that became products :)

    I’m gonna get my indemnity insurance before the price goes up.

  9. nautica Silver badge
    Happy

    Only two? Parnas is being kind...

    "One bad programmer can easily create two new jobs a year."--D.L. Parnas

  10. Missing Semicolon Silver badge
    Devil

    "Shifting liability to the software providers and away from the end users"

    Will last as long as it takes for the contributions gravy-train from the usual suspects to arrive at the Senate and HoR.

    Just like any other law that makes Big Tech responsible for anything (like right-to-repair).

    However, expect it to effectively apply to any Software company that isn't MS, Oracle, FAANG, Cisco, etc. They may finally get to use a law to kill off open-source/Mom&Pop programming, just like the DMCA was used to kill off repair and refill.

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