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Plumes of dust and rocks kicked up from the surface of asteroid Dimorphos after NASA's DART spacecraft smashed into it altered the space rock's orbit more than the kinetic impact alone, according to research published on Wednesday. Boffins successfully changed the position of an astronomical body in space for the first time in …

  1. Potemkine! Silver badge

    If violence doesn't work

    use more violence

    1. Natalie Gritpants Jr

      Re: If violence doesn't work

      On the scale of energy used to create the asteroid in the first place, this was a light brushing with a feather. Besides, can you do violence to an inanimate object. We changed it, but I don't think we "damaged" it. It's just a rock that will float around in nothingness until it hits something.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Astronomers would have to spot the object in advance – "several years at a minimum, but preferably decades"

    Yet also be able to measure its position and trajectory at vast distances with sufficient certainty to be *sure* it would impact Earth.

    Otherwise, if you're unlucky, the deflector mission will cause it to hit the Earth when if left alone it would have missed!

    1. Orv Silver badge

      We're actually pretty good at that, especially for Earth-crossing asteroids that make multiple passes. Once it's buzzed by us once we have a pretty good bead on whether the next pass will be a problem.

  3. AnotherName
    Mushroom

    From orbit?

    Perhaps the answer is to put a couple of devices in orbit ready to be sent out when needed. That would reduce the lag from discovery to being ready to intercept.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: From orbit?

      In orbit of what? The Earth? The Sun? Both assume you would be able to adjust the flight path of the craft easily from being in a continuous, long-term stable orbit to heading (the right way) out into space, and that the craft can gain sufficient momentum (notably in the right direction!) from the available fuel it lofted on original launch (especially as gravity slingshots are likely to be unavailable)? For the timescales involved, it's probably just as easy to launch from Earth. That way it's also easier to prep the correct size/mass of the craft you need for the job. Or maybe the Moon or Mars are better (or additional) locations?

      1. DJO Silver badge

        Re: From orbit?

        Loitering impactors could work but you're right, they need to be in an orbit that is easy to escape from. How about a big circuit between a gas giant and the sun (angled off the ecliptic so we don't accidentally bomb ourselves). Adjusting the vector on the long boring part of the orbit wouldn't require as much energy as escaping from a close orbit.

        Another possibility is just sending up motors and guidance systems to the asteroid belt (or rings of Saturn) to bolt on to a lump of rock to add mass for a space based impactor.

        But given the current state of rocket technology, the best bet would be to prep a few impactor frameworks on the ground and jut add whatever motors are available when it's needed.

        1. Abominator

          Re: From orbit?

          Probably don't want to pull off a Neal Stephenson by 'rodding' the planet

        2. Jonathon Green
          Boffin

          Re: From orbit?

          “ How about a big circuit between a gas giant and the sun (angled off the ecliptic so we don't accidentally bomb ourselves).”

          Big expensive (in delta-V terms) plane change[1] required to put the interceptor into an out of the ecliptic orbit and then another one to intercept an incoming threat which is most likely to be in (or close to) the ecliptic

          [1] I don’t know much about orbital mechanics, but I *do* know that plane change is about the most energy intensive manoeuvre (short of actually putting something into orbit in the first place) you can do with a satellite…

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: From orbit?

            "plane change is about the most energy intensive manoeuvre (short of actually putting something into orbit in the first place) you can do with a satellite…"

            From the comments in another recent discussion somewhere online, I think plane changes can actually be more expensive (in terms of delta-v) than launch.

            1. DJO Silver badge

              Re: From orbit?

              Plane changes are indeed very energy intensive if you are in a hurry.

              However if you have years to play with and happen to know where some big things like planets and the sun are going to be you can use gravity to do most of the hard work for you.

    2. SkippyBing

      Re: From orbit?

      As with all things space the answer is in fact Project Orion. I will not be taking questions at this time.

    3. Dimmer Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: From orbit?

      What about the current planetary shield? I think it is being marketed as starlink

      1. waldo kitty
        Coat

        Re: From orbit?

        What about the current planetary shield? I think it is being marketed as starlink

        are those possibly AKA AG-1 or maybe pre-1 version numbering (AG-0.1 with AG-0.2 being launched now)?

  4. Steve Button Silver badge

    Worrying.

    I heard on the radio that it was knocked out by 4x more than they expected. I'm surprised at this as I would have expected them to get it roughly correct knowing the velocity and mass of both objects? Perhaps they don't know the the mass of the asteroid? But 4x!?

    It's not exactly brain surgery, though is it?

    1. TRT

      Re: Worrying.

      The impactor was carrying crates of Australian lager?!

      1. Steve Button Silver badge

        Re: Worrying.

        As it seems we can no longer rely on Bruce Willis to go up there and sort this out, bless him, we might need something like this to save humanity.

        Other cheap aussie lagers are available, and I *think* this advert has aged well.

        1. TRT

          Re: Worrying.

          Ha ha ha. I'd forgotten that little quip. See? They even knew about it back then!

          Did they take something for the ladies? Couple of bottles of sherry?

      2. Winkypop Silver badge
        Pirate

        Re: Worrying.

        As an Aussie, all I can say about 4X is: bring on the killer asteroid mate!

        1. TRT

          Re: Worrying.

          Not quite Pangalactic Gargle Blaster, but just leaves you desirous of oblivion.

    2. cray74

      Re: Worrying.

      Perhaps they don't know the the mass of the asteroid? But 4x!?

      That was addressed in El Reg's article. Besides the momentum transfer of DART's impactor, the plume of debris ejected by the impact had a stronger rocket-like effect than expected. It's hard to model the behavior of a milli-G pile of dust and gravel during a deep impact.

      1. Steve Button Silver badge

        Re: Worrying.

        Yeah, I know. (although I didn't when listening to the radio as was half asleep) I was really just looking for an excuse to crowbar in the Mitchell and Webb sketch.

      2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Worrying.

        For a pile of dust & gravel just rely in the ejection impulse. Send up a solar-powered gizmo that parks itself on the asteroid scooping up handfuls & ejecting it. No need to achieve high velocities and wiith enough warning the entire asteroid could be thrown away. My H Robinson could design something suitable in a trice.

        1. Gene Cash Silver badge

          Re: Worrying.

          Congratulations, you've just reinvented the mass driver propulsion system.

          Most proposals have a iron bucket in an electromagnetic accelerator. Accelerate a bucketful of asteroid then decelerate the bucket and reuse them in a constant stream.

          1. Dimmer Silver badge

            Re: Worrying.

            “ Congratulations, you've just reinvented the mass driver propulsion system”

            Would that work to de-orbit some space junk?

    3. Orv Silver badge

      Re: Worrying.

      My guess is the composition of the object was the big question mark. Some asteroids are more or less solid, but a lot of them are basically piles of gravel. Maybe the surface was softer than expected, resulting in more ejecta.

  5. Sceptic Tank Silver badge
    Pint

    Crashed. Will the insurance pay?

    Wouldn't it be funny if the ESA and NASA both launched kinetic impactors* at the same existential threatening bit of space debris and they crash into each other over the object of interest? Maybe we can rather shield the earth by surrounding it with an orbiting, high velocity ring of asteroid deflecting metal fragments. Oh wait, construction has already started.

    Anyway, remind us again why this smelly, polluted, over populated planet is worth saving while some little dictator man has his fingers on the nuclear weapons trigger ready to cause more damage than a HUGE comet or asteroid can ever do?

    * FireFox spell checker suggests "imp actors" :rolling-eyes:

    1. Mast1

      Re: Crashed. Will the insurance pay?

      re kinetic "imp actors"

      Was it not a rugby antic a few years ago to throw people of diminished growth as part of a drunken "frolic" ?

      Ah yes:

      https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2011/sep/15/dwarf-throwing-england-rugby

      Could that be what the Firefox spellchecker was alluding to ?

    2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: Crashed. Will the insurance pay?

      I think it is plausible that, given the costs involved, the ESA and NASA would coordinate a bit more than "oh, so you launched something on that as well".

      1. BobBob
        Thumb Up

        Re: Crashed. Will the insurance pay?

        ESA and NASA work together very closely, so this would never happen anyway. In fact, ESA also supported NASA with DART:

        ESA’s network of eyes on the sky, Estrack, is supporting NASA in the weeks before impact by tracking DART, helping to provide data on its status, location and velocity and crucially keeping a constant watch during its final 12 hours when a live stream of images will be pulsed home to be made available and watched ‘live’ by countless around the globe.

        https://www.esa.int/Space_Safety/Planetary_Defence/ESA_deep_space_network_tracks_DART_asteroid_impact

  6. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Coat

    "we can prevent an asteroid impact with sufficient time, warning and resources"

    So stated the venerable Theodore Rexaminus in his well-known encyclic "On Asteroids And Saurien Capacity To Save The Species".

    Unfortunately, the printing press would have to wait almost 67 million years . . .

    1. Primus Secundus Tertius

      Re: "we can prevent an asteroid impact with sufficient time, warning and resources"

      The problem was, they were addicted to smoking - and to smoking weed at that. So they were stoned out of their minds before they got literally stoned.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Tesla Shield

    I don't know why NASA are bothered - wishing a few years there will be so many LEOS put up by Musk, et al, that nothing will get through to Earth anyway - and they'll reflect so much sunlight that they's reverse global warming. </flippant off>

    1. Orv Silver badge

      Re: Tesla Shield

      An actual real-life concern is that the sunlight reflected by these LEO objects will obscure our view of an asteroid before it's too late.

  8. DS999 Silver badge

    I wonder if the planet would come together for something like this

    Or we would quickly see conspiracy theories claiming that the mission is actually intended to knock it into Earth's orbit, or denying the science that says it will hit Earth, or saying we should let [the US | China] fund it alone because based on calculations of the exact time of impact and the direction of approach that's where it will most likely hit.

    1. FrogsAndChips Silver badge

      Re: I wonder if the planet would come together for something like this

      Great idea for a movie.

  9. hayzoos
    Mushroom

    Careful with that axe Eugene

    So, considering that the mass ejection produced more movement than expected, maybe we need to be careful how much mass from Earth we eject out beyond Earth's orbit.

    Title: Just popped into my head. Searched it before posting and found it was the B side to "Point me at the Sky" strange coincidence.

    Icon: Visual of mass ejection. Okay, mass conversion as well.

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