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Intel, TSMC, Samsung, and other semiconductor foundries stand to receive billions in American taxpayer funding under the CHIPS and Science Act to expand fab capacity on US soil, according to documents released by the government's Commerce Department. Crucially, there are a few catches. While the rules [PDF] for obtaining the …

  1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    chipmakers won't be allowed to funnel CHIPS dollars into stock buyback programs

    Of course not.

    Income from CHIPS act = $xM

    Revenue from all other sources = $xM

    Stock buyback = $xM - but that all came from other sources

  2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    If only there was a way

    For the government investment providing the capital to a business endeavour to receive a proportion of the profits.

    We could call it "capitalism" - it might catch on.

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: If only there was a way

      You mean, have the government funds be handed over in return for, say, shares which can then repay the funds by means of dividends from the profits made?

      But, but - that means the government will end up owning the companies - that's the same as nationalising them! Gubmint taking away our companies! Commies!

      You can't have the hard-workin', god-fearin' companies paying the government back, that's just what the Reds want!

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: If only there was a way

        But what would you call the people who "held shares" in this "capitalism" ?

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Yeah, they will game the system

    But if it caps rampant greed to a manageable level, fine. We need the new fabs more for resiliency than pure profits, or they would be built someplace much cheaper than the US.

    That said I am glad there will be at least a semblance of a backstop to us footing the whole bill and them keeping all the profits. And if they choose a sane price point, no perverse incentive to fail, as they can still make more money by succeeding and paying a cut than failing(hopefully).

    And especially if these Fabs get used for their intended function, providing continuity of business for TSMC in the event of a invasion from China and a need to be able to fill the US markets critical semiconductor demand, the profits from those Fabs could be extensive.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Yeah, they will game the system

      >the profits from those Fabs could be extensive.

      No they won't. If the return in capital was likely to be more than T-bills then the capitalists would be fighting to invest.

      The reason Taiwan did this is that the returns for a small relatively poor country, and assuming you are a monopoly, were slightly better than the alternatives.

      Might be worth doing as 5% of the defense budget. But even assuming half this is actually spent on fabs, it's purely a payment for strategic reasons

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  5. ITS Retired

    How much of these loans will be forgiven and why? You know this will happen.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      How much of these loans will be forgiven and why?

      Hmm ...

      Eventually, most if not all.

      You know this will happen.

      Of course, in some way or another.

      Just wait for the next Republican administration.

      .

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        >Just wait for the next Republican administration.

        You think the party of small government and the free market will immediately cancel this socialist program ?

  6. Georgski
    Trollface

    East Germany also tried this pivot

    Fascinating stuff.

    "How Semiconductors Ruined East Germany" from Asianometry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxrkC-pMH_s

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