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Tesla has hit the brakes on the rollout of its Full Self-Driving Beta software to new customers, while it delivers an update to faulty code in existing at least 362,758 cars already using the software in North America. The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration recently found Tesla's FSD software was unsafe and …

  1. Ace2 Silver badge

    “The fix” - singular

    Like there’s a single change that could be made to bring it up to minimum viable product.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: “The fix” - singular

      Indeed. They haven't managed for literally years.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: “The fix” - singular

      There is a single "fix". Disable it. Permanently. Preferably from orbit. With Nukes! :-)

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Full

    Half full

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Alert

      FSD

      Full Self[Supervised] Driving

  3. Apprentice Human

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Or may be more correctly: Darwinism at work in the rich but dumb.

    1. Claptrap314 Silver badge

      Re: What could possibly go wrong?

      And anyone stupid enough to be on the road with them at the time.

  4. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Trollface

    Drive-by downvoter was here...

    ... or yet another example of Autopilot going wrong?

  5. redpawn

    Musk's AI

    Is it Self Driving or is it dead? My apologies to the poor cat.

    1. a pressbutton

      Re: Musk's AI

      I think you meant parrot?

      on the same theme there are a *lot* of teslas in Norway and a lot of those are blue.

  6. GlenP Silver badge

    Speed Limits

    My new (to me) car has speed limit sign recognition which works, most of the time! Over the weekend it managed to advise an 80mph limit and a 100mph limit and miss signs that were slightly obscured, or at an angle to the vehicle, and that's with UK limit signs which are quite clear by comparison with the US.

    I also had the sat nav which shows the "normal" speed limit for the road but which doesn't know about temporary, changed or variable limits.

    With common sense they are useful tools for a human driver, I don't know if Tesla's software is better at interpreting things but I can well imagine it would miss changes in limits and drive too fast.

    1. Ace2 Silver badge

      Re: Speed Limits

      I believe my Tesla does visual recognition of speed signs. It got fooled once by a sign near a school -

      SPEED

      LIMIT

      35

      1 - 3 PM

      - or something, with the times just tacked on below the standard (U.S.) sign design. It thought I was way over the limit for miles and miles after that.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Speed Limits

      "I also had the sat nav which shows the "normal" speed limit for the road but which doesn't know about temporary, changed or variable limits."

      This, plus the other myriad of things a sat nav can't really know, like roads "not cleared for snow" where many if not all are leading you at winter time ...

      Only the driver has the full information picture, rest is approximation ...

    3. AndrueC Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Speed Limits

      My Corolla is okay with speed limits most of the time. Temporary limits and even variable limits don't normally bother it. If the camera disagrees with the satnav database it goes with the camera. Unfortunately the satnav is out of date for one road near me where the limit was raised from 50 to NSL. It's too short to have enough NSL repeaters to override the 50mph limit programmed into the satnav. Then there's the approach to M40 J11 coming down from Middleton Cheney where it decides to display the motorway sign on the dash. It'll be because it read it on the sign for the roundabout but I've never seen it do it anywhere else and what is the point of replacing the current speed limit with a motorway sign?

      But the most egregious issue is driving along the A75 in south west Scotland. That road has separate speed limit signs for HGV and my car reads all of them and keeps telling me that the limit is 40mph.

      Oh and it's auto-dip detection is poor. So basically it's great as long as you're not trusting it to understand what's going on.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Speed Limits

        Auto-dip? Oh FFS! It's bad enough we have to suffer people driving with headlights on because it's a bit cloudy, or nearing dusk, where sidelights are all you need. I've seen car auto headlights come on because the sun is low in the evening and the road goes between embankments. Coming out the other end, the sun is still shining, I still need my singlasses on, but all those "clever" cars don't quite see enough light to turn of the fscking headlights.

        Worst case was dealing with a driver who was in a hire car without auto headlights and didn't know where the light switch was so driving up a motorway in the dark without lights. Stupid driver was old enough that auto-on headlights were not around when he passed his test but still thought it ok that if he didn't know how to switch the lights on it was still ok to drive. Allowing drivers to think they can switch to full beam always and let the car worry about when to dip them is just asking for trouble when we have people like that on the roads.

    4. EricB123 Silver badge

      Re: Speed Limits

      I wonder how it handles speed limit signs that are full of buckshot damage? These occur quite often in America.

    5. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Speed Limits

      My wife's car displays what it believes is the current speed limit, and even though it's been correct the vast majority of the time I've driven the car, I still find it obnoxious far more than it's ever been at all useful. Of course it doesn't help that it flashes for a few seconds if I'm going faster than the notional limit.

      Do not want.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "In certain rare circumstances"

    BS

  8. wangiu

    Could this possibly be what I think it is? woah

  9. james 68
    Black Helicopters

    Umm..?

    Wasn't Musk complaining to all of the twits who follow him that the FSD recall shouldn't be called a recall as it would be an over the air thingamajigger? If what Musk claims is true then why should any of the Tesla owners have to wait in a queue? Could he perhaps be exaggerating? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    1. Lennart Sorensen

      Re: Umm..?

      They can't push an update they don't have. First they have to fix it. Given what they have managed to create so far, how long do you think that will take them?

      1. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

        Re: Umm..?

        5-10 years.

        For an actual _working_ version, that is.

  10. renniks

    I would love to blindfold Musk, tie his hands & feet so he can't reach the peddles/steering wheel, and pop him into on of his Teslas on FSD - minus a seatbelt, then set it off driving till it runs out of juice, or crashes - whichever comes first...

  11. mark l 2 Silver badge

    Detecting a speed limit on UK roads shouldn't be that difficult, I now know after doing a speed awareness course the easy way to tell.

    If the road has lamp posts and no speed limit signs its a 30 mph, if its anything over 30mph it should had repeater signs regularly to show the speed limit,

    This doesn't apply to motorways which you assume are 70mph speed limit unless the signs tell you otherwise.

    Thankfully following those rules have avoided me getting any more speeding tickets since i did the course 5 years ago..

    1. Fifth Horseman

      Err, you shouldn't really have had to go on a speed awareness course to know this. All the relevant information is in the highway code, and your driving instructor should have covered it with you at some point.

      1. LybsterRoy Silver badge

        I bought an up to date copy of the Highway Code thinking it was about time I refreshed my knowledge. Bad mistake. Its thicker with lots of good advice and damn near unreadable.

    2. Throg

      UNLESS the road is in an “area of natural beauty”, in which case repeater signs won’t be present.

      I learned this on a speed awareness course, having been caught just a smidge over the speed limit which was painted on the road about 2 miles back in just such an area.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        And additionally, unlit roads outside of built-up areas which are national speed limit by default[*] unless otherwise signed and don't always have repeater signs, especially the more rural ones.

        It seems speed awareness courses don't actually cover everything that the Highway Code covers in relation to speed limits based on two testimonies above, which is the actual "go to" place to learn about the rules of the road, something every driver is supposed to learn before they even pass their test, not at a speed awareness course after they broke the rules.

        * Other caveats may apply. It's all in The Highway Code for those who care to read it.

        1. LybsterRoy Silver badge

          -- It's all in The Highway Code for those who care to read it. --

          When did you last try reading it?

  12. Claptrap314 Silver badge

    Excuse me?

    When and where did I sign up to be part of this "beta test"?

    These vehicles are interacting with EVERYTHING near them.

  13. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

    I guess those "little issues" lately have convinced them that so-called "full" self-driving isn't ready for prime time yet.

    I'm not sure the approach they're using ever _will_ be.

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