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Ruggedized handset maker Bullitt Group has lifted the lid on its first smartphone with satellite messaging ahead of MWC next week, as well as a Bluetooth dongle from Motorola that provides the same capability for any iOS or Android phone. The Cat S75 is an addition to the company’s ruggedized range and is an Android smartphone …

  1. Art Slartibartfast

    But,but,but... where did the thermal infrared camera go?

    The nice thing about CAT phones was that they had a FLIR thermal infrared camera on board. This was a unique feature, so why scrap it? Oh well, guess I will have to hang on to my S62 Pro for the time being.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: But,but,but... where did the thermal infrared camera go?

      That is one feature I wish would go mass market - I'm sure they could bring the price down to a few bucks per phone if they were shipping tens or hundreds of millions per year if e.g. Apple decided to make it a standard feature. I don't know how often I would use it, but it would come in handy the few times a year I might.

      1. Conundrum1885

        Re: But,but,but... where did the thermal infrared camera go?

        If memory serves, the special chips used were in fact military surplus that had failed the strict testing, so rather than destroying them they reprogrammed them and sold on to CAT so they could integrate into their phones. Explains a few things.

        Some of the FLIR Lepton modules use a very similar if not identical part, but are typically downgraded because some of the pixels are bad.

        If you have the "Knowledge" (tm) its possible to un-downgrade them and run a remapping tool to work around the defects.

        1. Art Slartibartfast

          Re: But,but,but... where did the thermal infrared camera go?

          Interesting, did not know that. In addition to this, the refresh rate is limited to 9 Hz because otherwise it would fall under ITAR restrictions.

          It would be great if a company like Apple or Samsung would integrate it into their phones. One use case is finding heat leaks around the house so that you can get maximum benefit from insulation efforts. It also shows me where my gas BBQ heats unevenly :)

          1. DS999 Silver badge

            Re: But,but,but... where did the thermal infrared camera go?

            Yes the FLIR around the house for air leaks is indeed where I'd use it. That's why I thought I wouldn't use it much though. Once you've plugged all the leaks, other than maybe a yearly spot check to make sure some new leak hasn't appeared you probably won't be doing that again...

          2. ThatOne Silver badge

            Re: But,but,but... where did the thermal infrared camera go?

            House leaks, or problems on electric/electronic component boards.

  2. Joe Gurman

    You do know....

    ....satellite SOS has been a feature on iPhone 14 models since last September, right? https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213426

    And presumably, some of the recent models using That Other Phone OS do so as well, because everyone imitates everyone else, everywhere, all at once, right?

    1. anothercynic Silver badge

      Re: You do know....

      Not everyone runs off to Apple the minute a new phone is out, you know... Some of us are still on iPhone 6s-es...

      The Defy dongle makes satellite SOS available to those who don't have £1400 to just bandy about for a new phone every year, or those who are sensible and who use their old 6s until it is truly dead and gone.

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: You do know....

        Indeed. I don't want to replace my phone. And I don't know offhand whether any Android phones have built-in NTN support, and I probably wouldn't want the models that do, and I don't spend the sort of money required for the latest models on something as fragile as a phone anyway.

        The Bluetooth dongle is interesting; $60/year isn't bad for a bit of insurance when hiking and camping, or just for the long drives I have to do through rural (and partly mountainous) areas where there isn't always conventional service. While I see the advantages of a rugged phone, in practice I find keeping mine in a Ziplock bag has sufficed for water-proofing thus far. (The touch screen works fine through the bag, and it doesn't even interfere significantly with taking photos, unless I really care about the image quality.)

    2. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: You do know....

      Were you confused by the article's mention that the external dongle requires iOS 14 and read it as requires iPhone 14?

    3. Mayday
      Gimp

      Re: You do know....

      Yes. We know.

      I like Apple stuff myself, but this guy does other things too. Plus it is ruggedised and suitable for use in harsh environments. I’d consider something like this if I were going out bush/going somewhere remote. My iPhone would be rather shiny and also rather useless in such an environment.

      1. Mayday
        Stop

        Re: You do know.... I forgot to add

        Guess what?

        If you don’t like a particular product, or it otherwise doesn’t meet your use case(s), no one is forcing you to buy it.

    4. ds11

      Different Satelites.

      Its reported that this uses geostationary rather than LEO such that sending messages does not require a specific view of the sky, albeit at the expense of greater latency

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Dont rely on satellite communication for secure communication

    This is for emergency use only, for escape. If you are in difficult territory, meaning war zones etc, using consumer satellite comms equipment can have your position lit up rather quickly.

  4. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
    Meh

    Sort of want

    Would want it more if it came with a physical keyboard and could be operated while wearing gloves. I miss the clamshell form factor of some old Android and WinCE devices.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Sort of want

      I liked the sliders myself, but yes. I wish I could find decent physical-keyboard Android phones. I really liked my Symbian slider. I had a couple of Android sliders after the Symbian phone stopped holding a charge and the screen started to go on it (could have replaced the battery but it seemed likely further failures would be coming along soon), but neither of them lasted very long, and they were pretty low-spec.

      1. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Linux

        Re: Sort of want

        N900 was the best.

        Until Microsoft installed Stephen Elop at Nokia.

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