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After months of wrangling, Glaswegian Apple Store employees have signed a deal with their Cupertino parent to officially recognize the first Apple trade union in the UK.  Per Scottish newspaper The Herald, employees at the Buchanan Street Apple Store took steps to begin unionizing last year, but it took several months of …

  1. Little Mouse Silver badge

    The Secret...?

    UK employment laws that can and will bite companies where it hurts if they break them?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The Secret...?

      Many of those are EU-inspired so due for the chop by the end of the year.

      1. John Robson Silver badge

        Re: The Secret...?

        No - they were UK inspired/backed, they just happened to be implemented whilst we were members of the EU.

        I rather hope that the Lords have a little more backbone than the invertebrates in government.

        1. katrinab Silver badge
          Meh

          Re: The Secret...?

          Were they?

          Most of them came from the Social Chapter of the Maastricht Treaty, which John Major's government secured an opt-out from. Tony Blair later signed up to them.

          1. NoneSuch Silver badge
            Facepalm

            Re: The Secret...?

            Care to bet that shop will soon be shuttered due to "re-imagining" or "re-focusing" of Apple Core Business Strategy in the UK?

        2. MrDamage Silver badge

          Re: The Secret...?

          Given how inbreeding has removed a lot of their chins, I wouldn't hold my hopes high.

        3. gandalfcn Silver badge

          Re: The Secret...?

          No. They were EU. One of the main reasons for Brexit was to get rid of such laws.

  2. Potemkine! Silver badge

    "we've regularly made enhancements to our industry-leading benefits as a part of the overall support we provide to our valued team members."

    iPocrits.

  3. Version 1.0 Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    I think that the "Union" environment is much like the "UK environment" - the UK is England with laws create by the English parliament but influenced by Scotland, Wales, and Ireland - essentially they are virtually union members in the UK ... it's been very helpful for hundreds of years - we're a great country because we're trying to keep everyone in all of the UK happy, not just a few MP's in London. I'm English but always seen the views and cultures of people in Scotland, Wales, and Ireland as very helpful in reality even if they make me see our English mistakes (currently Windrush, Brexit and the NI protocol etc).

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Agreed, just a shame things don't work two ways. The devolved governments get a say in England, but England doesn't get a say in the devolved governments. Each country should have it's own devolved government and each devolved government should have representation in each other devolved government. That would be fair.

      I would particularly like Wales to have a bit more weight around the country, in the rare occasions I've seen debates in the Welsh Assembly, I was blown away about frank and straight forward they are. If we had more folks like that standing up having a say, we'd get a lot more shit sorted out across the nation!

      Yeah, I know Wales, you hate us over this end...but we don't hate you!

      Don't say you don't hate us, because I've felt the hatred...I went to North Wales with an Irish ex-girlfriend of mine maaaaaaaany moons ago, probably about 15 years ago at this point, initially I told her that she had to do all the speaking when we arrived because it will make a massive difference...and it did, if you have an Irish accent, everyone is friendly, welcoming, accommodating...as soon as I opened my mouth and gave away that I was English...man it got cold really quickly...it wasn't everyone to be fair, but man it was obvious that a significant portion of people didn't want me there. Even my girlfriend was surprised.

  4. mevets

    re: Hey, Glaswegians, care to share...

    Acht, Awa' an bile yer heid

    1. WanderingHaggis
      Pirate

      Re: re: Hey, Glaswegians, care to share...

      C U Jimmy -- U gonna gie us a union or can yur mammy stich?

    2. Bebu

      Re: re: Hey, Glaswegians, care to share...

      Based on a "Glasgow kiss" the poor colonial would hazard "an bile yer heid" ~ and boil your head

      (as the late Queen might have said but unlikely to ever have.)

  5. dotdot

    they gave us so called hi tech.

    the Weedgies - gave them a big DEEP FRIED MARS BAR.

    ..stitch that.

    (I doff my cap.. and so say all of us)

    1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

      > DEEP FRIED MARS BAR

      Invented somewhere in the north-east of Scotland (either Buckie or Stonehaven according to the article), not Glasgow.

    2. katrinab Silver badge
      Meh

      I've never seen a deep-fried mars bar. I've no doubt if I visited the tourist traps on the Royal Mile, I would find one, but as far as I can see, actual Scottish people don't eat them.

      Deep fried bananas (aka banana fritters) are definitely a thing though. Never tried one myself, but I have seen them a lot.

      1. that one in the corner Silver badge

        Fritters of various sorts are pretty wide spread - spam, pineapple, apple, banana fritters, all common on the school menu in Sussex (along with other high-calorie foods before being pushed onto the rugby field in January).

        Our chippies only did banana fritters on request, but more solid ones were usually available from the hot box.

        (Past tense 'cos now living Oop North where banana fritters don't seem to fit into the Grim lifestyle and you have the Parmo for the calorie overload)

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          "(Past tense 'cos now living Oop North where banana fritters don't seem to fit into the Grim lifestyle and you have the Parmo for the calorie overload)"

          Depends where you are. Pineapple fritters have been on the chippy menu since I were a lad 50-60 years ago and still available :-)

          1. Bebu

            Deep fried bannana with the lot.

            I recall a small chicken chain in SE Qld/AU that had a tropical pack - 1 battered bannana, 1 battered pineaple ring, 1 battered slice of spam all deep fried with a quarter of deep fried chicken plus the obligatory larding of chips.

            Only grateful that hadn't gone so far as deep fried mango or kiwi fruit.

            The wasn't too bad - far better than the Colonel's dismal attempts at Chicken Maryland.

  6. Mike 137 Silver badge

    Ooooops!!!

    " just signed a formal agreement with Apple making its recognition legitimate under UK law, avoided the statutory route to recognition"

    I'm not versed in trade union law, but on general principles this suggests to me that the recognition is a matter of contract rather than inherently binding by virtue of UK law. Consequently, it seems it might be revoked by apple at will. I do hope I'm wrong...

    1. I could be a dog really

      Re: Ooooops!!!

      AIUI there are two routes to union recognition - either the employer accepts it voluntarily, or (provided it meets the criteria) it gets imposed. If the union does meet the criteria for mandatory recognition, I can't see there being much point in fighting it - it would be cheaper for the employer to simply agree voluntarily.

      But AIUI once recognition is in place, the route to get there makes no difference. To drop recognition means going through a specific legal process - the employer can't (legally) just turn round and tell the union they are no longer recognised.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Ooooops!!!

        From what I understand, there are some quite rigid and tight timelines once the process is started such that a union with enough support should be recognised with about a month or so, the only real potential delay being if it's a large company and the ballot may take longer to organise. The employer, if they don't want a union, have no choice if enough of workers want one. For that matter, the staff are free to join a union at any time, whether recognised or not and if/when enough staff are members of the same union, apply for recognition, eg USDAW, no need to try to create a new Union and then affiliate with an existing one

  7. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Joke

    The Importance Of Being Apple

    A Handbag[Union]?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Well...

    ...at least if they're successful they can start talking about this for centuries instead of Bannockburn...for any Sweaties reading this, yes we know...Bannockburn, Bannockburn, Bannockburn...I read through the diaries of my great, great, great, great grandad recently and it was boring and irrelevant back then as well.

    I like the Scottish, but come on guys...Bannockburn is the worlds longest running dead meme.

    1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

      Re: Well...

      Funny, you're the first person among any of the contributors here (including various Scots) to have mentioned Bannockburn.

  9. Boozearmada

    The sweaties beat the Scousers to it

  10. Ernst Blofelt

    Glasgow tips

    One would imagine its more of a physical persuasion

    than anything you could write down

    What the Union anyway

    IUnion ?

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