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Tesla has confirmed the Department of Justice asked it to hand over documents related to Autopilot and Tesla Full Self-Driving (FSD), as the US government's criminal probe into hype surrounding the software continues. In its annual 10-K filing with the SEC, Tesla said it was subject to various legal proceedings, including the …

  1. NoneSuch Silver badge
    Coffee/keyboard

    Oh my...

    Look what happens to Tesla when Elon is distracted by Twitter.

    No stable hand at the wheel and things go pear shaped quickly.

    Tut-tut-tut.

    (Yes, sarcasm.)

    1. Chet Mannly

      Re: Oh my...

      To be fair faking the autopilot footage and making exaggerated claims about it's capabilities were all happening pre-twitter.

    2. JoeCool Bronze badge

      It cannot be !

      Elon is a genius software developer !!

      Incredible that CR mis-rated Tesla's software SEVEN times in a single report !!!

  2. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
    Coat

    In its annual 10-K filing with the SEC

    Is it wrong I read that as annual 10K killing?

    1. big_D Silver badge

      Re: In its annual 10-K filing with the SEC

      Nope, that was what I saw at first glance, well 10 killing.

  3. John H Woods Silver badge

    At least the steering wheel hasn't come ...

    ... off

    1. gandalfcn Silver badge

      Re: At least the steering wheel hasn't come ...

      Poor Leon didn't learn from his hero IQ45s foul ups. Total lack of self awareness.

  4. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Alert

    "the company's press mailbox is full and no longer accepting new messages"

    Bodes well for Tesla's onboard software.

    1. skswales

      Re: "the company's press mailbox is full and no longer accepting new messages"

      Sensor overload - over to you right now, meat sack.

    2. big_D Silver badge

      Re: "the company's press mailbox is full and no longer accepting new messages"

      Better than Google's mail.

      Their mailbox says they get too much email and it is automatically deleted without being processed.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Umm?

    So the article states that "Tesla's ADAS crash rate per 1,000 vehicles is substantially higher than other systems, according to the NHTSA" and links to an another Reg article I had already read:

    https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/15/tesla_autopilot_accounts_for_70/

    as it states ...Cliff also said that the data is light on context: "I would advise caution before attempting to draw conclusions based only on the data that we're releasing. In fact, the data alone may raise more questions than they answer,"

    Was this an accidental miss-link? because while I have been hoping to see good data on this point, that link does not look like it. While at some point during this process someone will have to cough up a spreadsheet with a breakdown of crashes per car/mile for the different systems, that isn't it.

    It also amazes me that with all these driver "assists" that they only started tracking accidents it in 2021. Seems like Tesla wasn't the only reckless idiot to blame here, the regulators took from 2013 when Tesla was developing this feature to now to start tallying the butchers bill. So they looked the other way for 8 years?

    1. First Light Silver badge

      Re: Umm?

      Four of those eight years were the domain of a President who despises regulations and regulators and hollowed out many government agencies.The federal government as as whole is still picking up the pieces of that disastrous lacuna.

  6. DS999 Silver badge

    Cue Musk going full Trump

    And tweeting about a "witch hunt" in 3..2..1

  7. sarusa Silver badge
    WTF?

    Documents?

    Tesla doesn't seem like the kind of company that would actually bother to document anything, as writing documentation takes time away from critical new features like being able to play video games on the console. Maybe they could send them some email chains?

    1. vtcodger Silver badge

      Re: Documents?

      My reaction as well. Tesla documents its software? You're kidding. Right?

    2. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Documents?

      I remember a cold open from Knight Rider, with a ariel view of KITT at speed, with a voice over of a high tension debate over with KITT & Michael making the upcoming risky maneuver in order to catch the car they were in pursuit of.

      Michael fails to make the maneuver (Icon) out of shot & the camera POV switches to the interior where he is playing a game while KITT is driving.

      Bad enough when the driver is doing that, but to have the cars computer offering tactical gameplay (While awaiting its turn?) & itself not focusing on the road seems to be the next illogical step.

  8. First Light Silver badge

    I'm confused

    As to why TSLA's share price is now up to c. USD182 a share, even after this news.

    Apparently MBA types think it's a good time to buy because the filing indicated expansion of the Nevada factory and they like increased sales numbers from the recent price cuts. Yet, it also revealed that Musk may sell more stock because of Twitter debt servicing. And those price cuts were necessary because of Musk's Twitter escapades. Perhaps they also missed this tech angle. I guess a good outcome of his stupidity is making the EV market more competitive.

    https://in.investing.com/news/tesla-updates-risks-to-include-musk-selling-stock-to-satisfy-other-commitments-432SI-3503473

    https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/01/31/why-tesla-stock-trounced-the-market-on-tuesday/

    1. Zippy´s Sausage Factory

      Re: I'm confused

      MBAs know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, it seems.

      (Don't remember who came up with the original quote, sorry)

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Tesla said it was cooperating fully and had handed over more than 70 pages of documents that had fallen down the back of the shredder.

    1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Pint

      Ohhhh I'm so stealing that.

  10. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

    Headline really caught my attention...

    I read it and was thoroughly shocked. I couldn't believe it. For a moment it looked like Tesla has responded to a journalist's enquiry but by the second paragraph all became clear - the admission was in a 10-K filing. Still, I did learn something unexpected from this story: Tesla has a press mailbox.

  11. Howard Sway Silver badge

    Other companies are getting in the fast lane to innovate right past it

    Sure they'll be OK once all their software people get back from fixing the primitive web based bulletin board that the boss has currently transferred them to. Whenever that is.

    1. sabroni Silver badge

      Re: primitive web based bulletin board

      This attitude is the reason Musk's car techies will be fuck all help at Twitter. Running a real time system to manage a car and running a distributed global system with millions of clients are different things and the skills that help you get the car working aren't necessarily going to be any help refactoring Twitter.

      Unless you're the kind of manager who thinks one techie === another techie.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Dodgy Bros Motors

    A 2005 Corolla sounds like a better prospect

  13. abetancort

    Mercedes self driving has been certified to level 3 while Tesla is still a mere level 2. I think that traditional automakers could easily end eating Tesla’s lunch.

    Its still high stock price is sustained mainly by the hipe that Tesla will be able to make a full self driving car while other manufacturers won’t but chances of that scenario happening look dimmer every day.

    1. HereAndGone

      It's Difficult to Determine Reality Among Marketing Pretending to be News

      "Mercedes self driving has been certified to level 3 while Tesla is still a mere level 2."

      Case in point. Mercedes has certification for level 3 in Nevada, which has zero standards or regulations for assisted driving.

      The Mercedes system is only for a small subset, as in less than 2%, of highways pre-mapped with high precision GPS.

      It can only be used on these limited highways at speeds below 40 mph.

      It can't be used on banked turns or substantial curves.

      It can only be used if you are following another lead car at less than 100 meters.

      Last but not least it's not actually available yet and is projected to be offered later this year only on a very high end car.

      Be still my heart, I can't wait. NOT!

  14. Locomotion69

    IANAL

    But I think the issue is not technical in this case.

    It is a legal issue.

    Who is in the end responsible and/or accountable when "operating" a self-driving car? And to what extend?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @Locomotion69 - Re: IANAL

      Bingo!

      Can I "self-drive" a car while being drunk or under the legal age for driving a car and if not, why ?

  15. xyz123 Bronze badge

    Someone's going to 'accidentally' leak the source code to a rival car company.....and become 'somehow' extremely rich shortly afterwards.

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      > leak the source code to a rival car company

      Was that (a) "leak the Tesla code and send it to a rival of Tesla" or (b) "leak the code of a rival and send it to Tesla"?

      > and become 'somehow' extremely rich shortly afterward

      In case (a) - well, if the rival really likes a good laugh, they might pay well.

      https://youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        AI Pro Tip: Exclude my missus from your parallel park training dataset

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