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NASA has formally ended the Geotail spacecraft's 30-year mission studying the Earth's magnetosphere after months of repeated attempts to repair its last data recorder failed.  Launched on July 24, 1992, Geotail was put to work probing the protective bubble that prevents harmful solar rays and cosmic radiation from hitting our …

  1. DS999 Silver badge
    Pint

    Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

    When it comes to missions lasting many multiples of the planned life they are the undisputed champion.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

      They have no future in the consumer tech industry that's for sure.

    2. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

      Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

      "When it comes to missions lasting many multiples of the planned life they are the undisputed champion."

      Nasa planning meeting: "So guys, how long do we think the spacecraft will last?"

      Engineering: "Probably 20 years or so"

      Marketing: "Ok we'll tell everyone the mission duration is 6 months"

      1. Annihilator

        Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

        It's more like "how do you guarantee something will *definitely* last 6 months?"

        Answer: "by making it *probably* last 30 years"

        I'd be more impressed if they could predictably make something last exactly 6 months.

        1. Anonymous Custard
          Boffin

          Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

          I'd be more impressed if they could predictably make something last exactly 6 months.

          Then the boffins would be snapped up by industry to make washing machines and toasters rather than space probes...

        2. Francis Boyle Silver badge

          Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

          Not difficult. Just use the self destruct system. Decades watching Star Trek has taught me that every spacecraft has one.

        3. Mast1

          Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

          Oliver Wendell Holmes had it nailed in 1858 in a poem:

          "The one-hoss shay".

          But that was possibly over-engineered compared to the 6 months challenge: it lasted 100 years, exactly.

        4. John Miles

          Re: make something last exactly 6 months

          I recall a prosecution in news where a burglar alarm installer managed to make the alarms last to just out of warranty and only got caught when someone else tried fixing an alarm and found a timer that would disable it after a about a year.

        5. Lars Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

          "I'd be more impressed if they could predictably make something last exactly 6 months."

          For that they would have to learn from printer makers who give a 6 months warranty.

      2. pdh

        Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

        I'd like to think that when they build something like this, the design specs are something like "we'll be disappointed if it doesn't last at least X months/years; but we're hoping to get Y months/years out of it; and if all goes really well, it might last as long as Z years." But for P.R. reasons they only announce the X value publicly.

        The Voyagers for example had announced design lifetimes of around 5 years. I wonder what the Z value was for those craft; and would NASA have done anything differently if they had known that they might survive for several decades?

      3. JP Cavendish

        Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

        @Lord Elpuss: "Nasa planning meeting: "So guys, how long do we think the spacecraft will last?" "

        Guys? Women work at NASA too Elpuss.

        1. DS999 Silver badge

          Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

          At least in the US, "guys" is often used to refer to both sexes in mixed groups. If it had read "so men, how long..." then your point would stand.

          1. Mark Exclamation

            Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

            Agreed. These days, I always use/understand "guys" to be gender-neutral.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Say what you want about NASA's inefficiencies

        Works for me. Happiness is just having your expectations exceeded, no matter how low they were.

        Lada owner: "Bugger me, it started first time. Again. That's the 4th time this week. And how about that hand warmer on the back window eh? I am so buying another Lada"

  2. Archivist

    A testament to great engineering

    As an engineer myself I have the greatest respect for the engineers who developed and built these systems.

  3. Sgt_Oddball Silver badge
    Windows

    In fairness...

    To those complaining they over-engineer, it's difficult to build a piece of equipment to last until the day the warranty expires when you're only building one or two of the type.

    Now, if there was a mass produced, off-the-shelf, multi-config satellite that's cheap to launch....

    Then yes. But when running a team for 30 years still costs less than building and launching it then overeengineering it is.

  4. heyrick Silver badge

    JunoCam

    Can't help but wonder if the Jovians are camera shy... or just don't want to be found.

    1. NickHolland
      Coat

      Re: JunoCam

      ...but more peaceful than the Martians, which keep shooting down our probes?

      1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
        Alien

        Re: JunoCam

        Well thanks to the common cold & chicken-pox, who can blame them.

  5. Eclectic Man Silver badge

    Space probe lifetime

    I wonder how they work out the probable life-time for a satellite. There is the us of fuel for positioning, damage caused during launch (and landing if appropriate) were and tear on moving parts, radiation damage, and the stress caused by differential heating and cooling in space. Then there are micro-meteoroid collisions and cosmic rays. Must be quite tricky.

    1. Anonymous Custard
      Boffin

      Re: Space probe lifetime

      And then divide the final calculated value by three, at least if the engineer was born in Linlithgow in 2222.

      Just to maintain the reputation as a miracle worker when the thing goes on forever...

  6. deater

    junocam

    I might be mis-remembering, but I went to a talk by one of the Juno scientists where they said that originally Juno wasn't supposed to have a visible light camera as it wasn't relevant to Juno's primary mission. Junocam was only added as an afterthought once someone pointed out that the public would be really confused that scientists would send a probe all the way to Jupiter but not have it capable of taking pictures.

  7. waldo kitty
    Boffin

    COSPAR/NORAD numbers

    FWIW: the GEOTAIL craft is known as COSPAR 1992-044A and NORAD 22049... not sure why they were left out of the article ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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