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The Biden administration's policy of restricting Chinese chip makers from accessing vital manufacturing equipment has caused damage at home, with California-based wafer fabrication equipment supplier Lam Research announcing it would layoff 1,300 employees, or about seven percent of its global workforce, as the company prepares …

  1. I miss PL/1

    Good going Joe. Way to teach those Chinese for stealing our jobs.

  2. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Facepalm

    I'm trying to look surprised

    ... as you can see.

    it's a bit like launching rockets. Every action creates an equal and opposite reaction?

    Then again, we don't have politicians launching rockets.

    1. Zippy´s Sausage Factory

      Re: I'm trying to look surprised

      "Then again, we don't have politicians launching rockets."

      We do. They just delegate it to the armed forces, a collection of personnel often composed of people who would strongly prefer to be somewhere less rocket-y.

    2. tooltalk

      Re: I'm trying to look surprised

      >> Then again, we don't have politicians launching rockets.

      What nonsense is this? We don't have keyboard warriots lauchning rockets either.

      There is no volume Chinese DRAM maker in China. Lam's Chinese customers are mostly foreign companies such as Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron where up to 30%-40% of their DRAM and NAND are produced. Those South Korean companies also received one-year reprieve from the Biden administration -- there is no export restriction.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

    Unless there is an actual threat of imminent war, politics should stay out. It just looks petty.

    How can you take the high ground when you’re messing around with which company can sell to who where when?

    What’s next? American scientists not allowed to read Chinese research papers?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

      We let those American chappies have the secrets of steam engines and look what happened

      If they ever find out about computers / radar or that banging lumps of metal together thing .........

      1. Dippywood

        Re: Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

        Or, think of this, we could always license that jet engine stuff to them on the promise that they would only use such things for military purposes...

        After all, they gave their word, didn't they?

    2. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

      > What’s next? American scientists not allowed to read Chinese research papers?

      Once you rule out those of Chinese descent - I suspect very few Americans can read Chinese to the required level…

      It does seem history is repeating itself: back in the early 80s Thatcher deemed only those sympathetic to the USSR would want to study Russian at University, so effectively caused these courses to become unattractive… fast forward to 1989, and the UK discovered it had a critical shortage of people skilled in Russian to take advantage of the new opportunities following the fall the Berlin Wall…

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

        The USA had a similar problem in the cold war, anyone who learnt Russian was obviously a commie and yet they had to decode a lot of Russian texts.

        Their solution was to pay Israel, who had lots of Russian emigres, and since you obviously couldn't be Jewish and a Marxist - could be trusted.

        Presumably there was no 'spin' put on any of the subsequent intelligence, either officially or because your translator was a recently escaped exile of the evil empire

    3. tooltalk

      Re: Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

      >>Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

      Would you say the same about the CCP? China's tech industry is in part orchestrated by the CCP's initiatives -- eg, "MADE-IN-CHINA 2025." Look at China's EV industry for instance -- the gov't was actively engaged in protectionism against foreign competitors and giving out subsidies.

      >>Unless there is an actual threat of imminent war,

      While I am a critic of neocon's "American liberal democracy everywhere," I'd much prefer this to the CCP's global hegemony. China has already shown what they willl do once they become economically dominant in something -- ie, rare earth metal export control against Japan in 2010 to settle a political dispute.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

        >the gov't was actively engaged in protectionism against foreign competitors and giving out subsidies.

        And so capitalism says they will lose. This will give them a failed industrial base, like postwar British car makers or US aircraft makers now.

        Surely it would be worse if China freely competed buying the best and cheapest components from around the world and assembling them into the most efficient systems. We should fully support China embracing the USSR industrial model.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

      Zelensky/Ukraine whilst technically not the US, did however ban speaking Russian (including text) in the country...

    5. tater

      Re: Politics shouldn’t enter science and technology

      China will now build their own equipment

  4. Little Poppet

    Change of policy needed

    Instead of delving into geopolitical 'solutions', the US should in fact look internally to solve its real problem.

    You know, things like education and manufacturing etc.

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