back to article US in talks with critical chip tech countries Netherlands, Japan. Topic? China sanctions

The Netherlands and Japan may be about to introduce tougher restrictions aimed at curbing China's ability to produce advanced semiconductors, egged on by pressure from the US. The White House has been steadily ratcheting up its restrictions on advanced chip technology exports to China over recent months, while also cajoling …

  1. naive

    One day

    There will be an European leader who will tell those Military Industrial Complex puppets from USA to sod off to their fentanyl paradise and leave us in peace.

    USA has nothing to the world, except pushing war and weapons to fight it with.

    1. codejunky Silver badge

      Re: One day

      @naive

      "There will be an European leader who will tell those Military Industrial Complex puppets from USA to sod off to their fentanyl paradise and leave us in peace."

      Maybe but not today. Instead we have countries wanting to join NATO. When Ukraine kicked off (Crimea) the EU ran and hid behind the US. When Trump suggested removing US forces from Germany the Germans almost had an aneurysm. For the moment the global transaction currency is the USD (although recent weaponising of it may cause future problems). Not forgetting all the global trade with the US.

  2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    A Guilty Admission and aint that the Gospel Truth.

    Dan Robinson, Hi,

    If that tale doesn’t tell the world and his dogs of war that the Uncle Sam and its Western puppets machine is easily being thoroughly beaten and bettered by progress in the East, and therefore the Exotic Erotic East is the new Wild Wacky West to invest in and prosper in, even whenever captured at home, then presently I wouldn’t know what else does tell the tale any clearer.

    And how bold and exciting it is that the Register decided to freely share it. El Regers expect nothing less from situations publications. Bravo. That’s the Way to Do IT.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A Guilty Admission and aint that the Gospel Truth.

      Money for nothing, and chicks for free?

      :)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: A Guilty Admission and aint that the Gospel Truth.

        What, no Dire Straits fans here? Sigh..

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I hope they won't participate - thin edge of the wedge here

    I really hope the Netherlands keep themselves out of this blatant attempt to skew global competitiveness by the US, there's been too much of that.

    Why should the country harm its own industries and political relationships just because one of them has damaged its own educational system and milked its own economy dry so much that they can no longer compete honestly? Yes, they will then tell you about all the Chines espionage, while simultaneously keeping vewwy, vewwy quiet about their NSA and CIA, and about what Google, Facebook Meta and Microsoft are dragging out of every country - it has all become rather blatant since Trump.

    1. tooltalk

      Re: I hope they won't participate - thin edge of the wedge here

      >>Why should the country harm its own industries ...

      ASML's backlog just increased to $30+B last quarter -- they are doing fine.

      >> Yes, they will then tell you about all the Chines espionage, while simultaneously keeping vewwy, ...

      I'm inclined to believe that it's more than that. Once China become dominant in anything, they are going to start weaponizing them -- eg, rare earth metal export control against Japan to settle political dispute in 2010. I'm no fan of the neocon's influence on the US foreign policy to promote "American liberal democracy" everywhere, but China is an existiential threat to the world.

      1. tooltalk

        Re: I hope they won't participate - thin edge of the wedge here

        >> ASML's backlog just increased to $30+B last quarter -- they are doing fine.

        According to their most recent quarterly filing, 4Q 2022, it's $40B; $30B was from 3Q, 2022.

      2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: I hope they won't participate - thin edge of the wedge here

        I'm inclined to believe that it's more than that. Once China become dominant in anything, they are going to start weaponizing them.... tooltalk

        I’m disinclined to believe that, tooltalk, given the catastrophic problems, with no easy painless solutions, which such an action to dominate markets and populations is causing Uncle Sam to do vain battle against enemies of its own phantom invention in order to try to help preserve an obviously rapidly failing inequitable and indefensible dominant position.

        And against smarter competition as they may have classified as state enemies of capital domination, aware of such as are the Uncle Sam and western puppet regime machine’s systemic catastrophic vulnerabilities for exploitation and export, is the future result never ever going to be as was/is usually traditionally expected in favour of the status quo.

        The only really valid question to ask of Wild Wacky Western leaderships [and there’s a prime oxymoron if ever there was one] is ....... How incredibly painful are you going to make future showdown solutions for yourselves and populations you are misrepresenting and defrauding?

        Another leading question to realistically fear being asked far too often anywhere to be ignored or denied mainstream media coverage is how would you expect misrepresented and defrauded populations to view and react to their leaderships? Would it be expected to be usual and traditional? What would that be? Would it be more than just troubling ‽ .

        Future time in the likes of this place and these engaging spaces will tell us of the subsequent tale and the trails thereafter followed by leaderships. That is at least one thing you can be almost quite certain of, methinks? :-)

  4. Professor_Iron
    Mushroom

    Trade war idiocracy continues

    Well, the US used to invade countries to please it's oil giants, now it's waging a trade war against China to please Intel, Texas Instruments and other semiconductor zombie companies? Wouldn't it be simpler to make good American chips again that we'd be more than happy to buy and drive out the Chinese competition that way?

    1. jgarbo
      Black Helicopters

      Re: Trade war idiocracy continues

      You mean divert stock options and divs to R&D? Are you mad? Gotta think Short Term, Baby.

    2. tooltalk

      Re: Trade war idiocracy continues

      >> the US used to invade countries to please it's oil giants,

      And China invaded Vietnam to defend the genocidal Pol Pot. Your point?

      >>now it's waging a trade war against China to please Intel, Texas Instruments and other semiconductor zombie companies?

      Well, TI, Intel, and others wouldn't have become zombie if the gov't had subsidized their business to the tune of $40B like China has been doing.

  5. jgarbo

    Too late?

    Isn't China already producing 7nm chips with "home"-modded lithos? Or is a patriotic (and fore-seeing Taiwanese) slipping them specs?

    1. tooltalk

      Re: Too late?

      We know very little about SMIC's 7nm. It's probably legit since Mong Sang Liagn, ex-head of TSMC's R&D is co-heading the company, but probably very inefficient and expensive. This is probably the last node they can develop with all the DUVs they have.

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