back to article Games Workshop once again battles scariest monster of all: ERP gone wrong

UK tabletop wargames maker Games Workshop's seemingly neverending battle with its own ERP implementation has entered another chapter, as global projects are delayed owing to the difficulty integrating the new system. In 2020, The Register revealed the Warhammer manufacturer was struggling with a Microsoft Dynamics ERP …

  1. Little Mouse

    Catch-22?

    Sounds like they should have used a decent ERP system to manage the accounting, procurement, project management, risk management, compliance, supply chain operations, etc, needed to implement a decent ERP system...

  2. Spoonsinger
    Coat

    That's what happens when...

    you don't allow your staff to perform the correct rituals and prays to the machine god.

    1. UCAP Silver badge

      Re: That's what happens when...

      Or the plague god Nurgle is striking back

      1. Jedit Silver badge
        Devil

        "Or the plague god Nurgle is striking back"

        Cease your foul calumnies. I know a fair few tech support people and they all worship Slaanesh.

  3. Paul 87

    It'll be the same problems that afflicts many organisations implementing ERP, each department will have it's own requirements that either contradict other departments or pulls the implementation team in too many directions.

    It's almost certain that most of the time has been wasted focusing on integrating legacy technology, so that the new technology can come online for one department, without the other departments shifting because they're not "ready" yet.

    1. Triggerfish

      ERP implementation is an amazing way to show how siloed and bad the processes you thought worked smoothly really are.

      1. DwarfPants
        Coat

        And then to blame it on the ERP system

      2. Plest Silver badge
        Happy

        Amen brother!!

      3. RobLang

        Quite right. The real oil in the machine is often the staff who are just trying to get through a working day in spite of the hodge-podge of processes.

    2. DwarfPants

      Amen Brother

      see title

    3. David Hicklin Silver badge

      I was part of an implementation about 30 years ago which went very well

      Key to success was getting the processes fit to the way the ERP worked (and usually much better) plus having all departments heavily involved (i.e compulsory!) in all the pre-live walk-thru training and testing

    4. jglathe

      not unlikely. Or part of the new stack is still vapourware but essential in the design.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Simple Solution

    Someone will buy a better 3rd party product and company and then re-brand it as their own by sticking their corporate logo on it. I'm sure this has been done before

    1. jason_derp

      Re: Simple Solution

      A simple solution for what Michael Moorcock would call "simple thieves". Surely unrelated to the article.

  5. Eric Olson

    Well this makes me feel great

    We just kicked off an ERP migration from work.... is this my life now?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Well this makes me feel great

      Yes. Always and forever. Hail the Machine God

      1. Eric Olson

        Re: Well this makes me feel great

        *wanders off mutters about finding offerings this time of day*

        1. Triggerfish

          Re: Well this makes me feel great

          Stakeholders and ERP salespeople are a good place to start, you may as well start now because before the end you'll want to kill them anyway.

          1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

            Re: ...before the end you'll want to kill them anyway.

            You can ask a stakeholder to borrow theirs in order to do the deed.

    2. Plest Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Well this makes me feel great

      If the three full ERP projects that I've been through in my time, one being MS Dynamics, are any indication, then yes I'm afraid so.

      Run for the hills and don't look back!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Well this makes me feel great

        We solved it, we just don't do any enterprise planing

        1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

          Re: We solved it, we just don't do any enterprise planing

          It was a close shave though.

  6. Howard Sway Silver badge

    ERP The Cashslayer

    You are lost and entangled in a thick dark forest of poorly integrated business systems. Roll the dice.

    1 - 5 : You spend one million gold coins to break free but end up even more entangled. Roll again.

    6 : You free yourself and then step straight into a new trap. Roll again.

  7. Mostly Irrelevant

    The Horror

    I've had to work with Microsoft Dynamics before, it's designed to burn money...

    That said, Epicor is worse.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: The Horror

      I'm waiting for someone to point out something that is "better".

      Not holding my breath though.

      That said, a tabletop game company needs an ERP system ?

      Really ?

      1. Fogcat

        Re: The Horror

        https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/31/how-games-workshop-grew-to-become-more-profitable-than-google

      2. bregister

        Re: The Horror

        GW are huge, 430 million pounds per annum!

        "Roll to hit" indeed.

      3. Plest Silver badge
        Unhappy

        Re: The Horror

        The problem is ERP is supposed to be the be-all , end-all, the way and the truth within any company, however name me one software product that's perfect and does exactly what's needed. Very few as compromises are always made, most are acceptable 'cos the implementation is often small scale and can survive. ERP however has to be "all things to all men", put up with people who've organically created the most horrendously intricate mess of processes and then you realsie that's happend across 17 unique depts in your own company!

        Almost any ERP solution is screwed from the get-go as it's about to be dragged, beaten, torn, shredded, sewn back together and then finally put to work in a state that it can only just about function.

        1. Timop

          Re: The Horror

          Someone from the C-suite can be the visionary while collecting requirements. No need to bother any workers about it.

          Then the project can be wound down in complete silence when the implementation starts and people realise there is nothing they can do with multi-million system.

          Properly handled ERP project takes years. Temptation to just quit it and purchase something that sounds easier from snake oil salesman is real.

          Organisations will have to change the ways they work if they want full benefits from PDM. You can pick your poison but it will be painful anyway. If CEO is not a visionary that understands the value of the system, glhf.

          Btw do you have time to talk about PLM (ERP+PDM)?

  8. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
    Devil

    In the grim present of ERP ...

    ... there is only woe.

  9. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    They would have been better off designing something in-house from scratch...

    As it is they are now perpetually dependent on third-party VAR's to integrate with a system that is going to break at every update, or be made obsolete at the whim of MS.

    Yes, initial costs would have been higher, but in the long run they will have been beholden to nobody, not to mention owning their own intellectual property rights. (Shareholders would approve).

    Remember, this is a company that has been a game-changer in innovation, why couldn't that have extended to their IT?

    1. SundogUK Silver badge

      Re: They would have been better off designing something in-house from scratch...

      And then the people who designed it will leave and no one will have a clue what to do when something goes wrong and etc. etc.

      Rolling your own in the ERP space is a recipe for disaster.

      1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

        Re: And then the people who designed it will leave...

        This applies just as much to third parties brought in to implement such a system. Only more so, as GAW have absolutely no control over the comings and goings of said third party employees. Yes, they can put penalty clauses into contracts, but history is littered with examples of this going pear-shaped. I would think management would have no qualms in rolling their own.

        1. TRT

          Re: And then the people who designed it will leave...

          Depends on the size of the supplier, I guess. After all, big guns never tire.

    2. Triggerfish

      Re: They would have been better off designing something in-house from scratch...

      IMO ERP systems are terribly complicated, it may look like a bunch of different databases stuck together with connectors, some predictive analytics and so on that make changes in other databases e.g stock is down, lead time is x, manufacturing needs y amount to meet demand, therefore order z now, but sales is expecting maybe a, from predictions b, .

      But in reality it's likely that each of those sperate modules is going to have to be designed not just by software engineers but someone that understands the type of work and process that go into each space as a SME, i.e your manufacturing guy is not just going to need to know your processes, but everything about manufacturing engineering thgeories including edge case scenarios and how to work with software devs and architects. Decent size companies will balk at manufacturing their own CRM because of how tricky it becomes, thats just one module working alone, not slotted into a ERP system.

      By the time you have done that your probably more a massive software house than an actual manufacturer of plastic monsters.

  10. Killfalcon

    I greatly appreciate the humour behind the "injection moulding specialists" line.

    Really gets to the core of the business - for all the grimdark, all the retail operations, all the multi-platform videogame licenses, GW makes plastic into shapes, with sidelines in book publishing and sublicensing their IP.

    1. Total_Blackout

      Don't forget the copius amount of cease and desist orders they put out. They're an IP enforcement monster.

  11. TRT

    "We have made some good progress..."

    I'm not sure what to understand from this comment. However, had movement on the project been classified as Normal, Advance, Remaining Stationary or Falling Back...

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    ERP never works properly, period. I'm not aware of any business that has ever successfully migrated or ran with an existing ERP without a whole bunch of bodge. Of course, crap being broken sells more software, too much reliability and one would go out of biz.

    An org I'm not too far removed from managed to get to a point where it couldn't pay the payroll for multiple months, with obvious consequences.

  13. dwodmots

    At first I thought they were talking about people doing ERP in some Warhammer online game... It's Friday, alright.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Payroll and expense mechanics for your troops, and their supply chain? Impacts on morale on the table? Different currencies for different races?

      Plenty of more serious wargames have considered such applications before!

  14. jglathe
    Mushroom

    ERP implementations are a bitch.

    So much depentds on the common sense approach. Resist the urge to do shortcuts and code changes. If you find yourself in a position where you don't even know what the implementation partner is talking about, change that first before making crippling decisions. Usually you're not the first company with this issue, find out what others did to solve it.

  15. Ozan

    Out of total professional curiosity, I'm asking this: Were there any successful ERP projects ever?

    1. TRT

      To answer that question, one must define "success".

    2. David Hicklin Silver badge

      Yes - I was part of one 30 years ago

  16. Wolfclaw

    Brothers pray to Emperor and embrace the battle of ERP, more honour for the Imperium and the Golden Thrown.

  17. small and stupid

    My diagnosis of ERP problems is that the Accounts Department are the problem.

    Either they are narcissistic megalomaniacs who put their administrative convenience before what the organisation needs to do, or, the rest of the organisation are lazy luddite fuckwits and Accounts end up implementing it by default. Either way, the tail wags the dog.

    1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

      Re: My diagnosis of ERP problems is that the Accounts Department are the problem.

      In some instances Accounts Departments do not want things to become too automated for reasons that HMRC would be interested to find out about...

  18. small and stupid

    Hoping for bankruptcy. Die games workshop die.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Quite. Most of the original staff have long gone and moved onto other ventures, mostly for falling out with the corporate BS.

      I'm old enough to remember when GW were a generalist provider, and both acknowledge and retail the existence of wargaming and RPGs outside of their own cult.

      Homebrew is the very lifeblood of wargaming, and issuing cease-and-desists to those is ridiculous. Why shouldn't one produce your own scenarios for the game and stick them on the internet? Or army lists?

      Hasbro of course are going the same road of nonsense with D&D, which is even more dependent on homebrew.

      GW do have some good games, figures and designers; but the corp rubbish is what it is. Support other developers!

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