back to article Larry Ellison mea culpa as traffic cop stops Big Red boss on own island

What's the point of owning an island if you don't get to make the rules? That's the question Larry Ellison must be asking himself after he was apparently pulled over for running a stop sign and speeding on Lanai, the Hawaiian island he bought 98 percent of for $300 million in 2012. lanai Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison's …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    He also complained that Ellison had a track record of annoying the local community.

    I'd say he has a track record of annoying everyone..

    1. NoneSuch Silver badge

      "Powerful individual"

      He's a guy who violated traffic law. Does not matter who he is or how much money he has in the bank. He, and anyone else they stop regardless of skin color / religion / ethnic background, should be treated just like everyone else; professionally.

      1. Stork Silver badge

        Re: "Powerful individual"

        Should is the keyword here. I have a couple of examples where it didn’t quite go like that, in jurisdictions which are normally seen as with little corruption.

      2. Potemkine! Silver badge

        Re: "Powerful individual"

        In a fair system, his fine should be proportional to his income, like in Finland for instance.

        1. JohnJacob

          Re: "Powerful individual"

          He likely has no "income" as far as what's reported on his tax filing. So... $20 fine?

  2. KittenHuffer Silver badge
    Stop

    Police records are available!

    He also complained that Ellison had a track record of annoying the local community.

    He certainly has a tracked record from The Police!

    Reggatta de Blanc

    ----------> What he failed to do!

  3. lglethal Silver badge
    WTF?

    Does no one else find it weird, that you can buy an Island that already has inhabitants?

    I mean I dont really mind when some billionaire spaffs the cash to buy some tiny uninhabited dot to build there luxury lair (volcano and evil minions optional). And then staffs it with people who are there servants. Those people get paid and can leave. But buying an island that's already got inhabitants? Well that feels just... ergghhh.

    1. snowpages

      Pet hate

      THEIR

      That is all

      :)

      1. claimed Bronze badge

        Re: Pet hate

        Thair Lair

    2. Graham Cobb Silver badge

      I presume it just means they buy the land that someone will sell to them and become the landlord for anyone who lives on that land. Note that although he owns the island it is still part of the US - it doesn't mean he gets to create his own country. Different legal systems handle property rights very differently so they may or may not get rights to have any impact on the renters, throw them out, change rents, etc.

      For example, the arrangement may be like an English (no idea whether Wales, Scotland and NI are different) "leasehold", where the owner just receives a ground rent. Or something entirely different.

      If it was the UK, I would assume the whole island had previously been owned by one person/company, except for 2% owned by public authorities (any public roads, maybe buildings like council offices & police stations, etc). And that nothing changes for the inhabitants except the name on the cheque they write for their rent.

      1. Insert sadsack pun here

        "nothing changes for the inhabitants except the name on the cheque they write for their rent..."

        That is NOT true for the residents of Lanai unfortunately: Larry Ellison is interfering in their private lives and using hia power as landlord and owner of almost every business on the island to do so.

        https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-oracle-larry-ellison-lanai-hawaii-plans-tourism/#xj4y7vzkg

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      You can also buy a building that also has people paying rent living in it. Can't be that much different.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        re: Can't be that much different.

        It's no different.

        In both situations the rich get to do what the fuck they like and the plebs have to suck it up or fuck off.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: re: Can't be that much different.

          Nope, there are rules and even at pleb level you can get them enforced. You might end up with your rental contract being terminated, though.

          In the UK, for instance, you have the concept of "quiet enjoyment" which means that a landlord has no right of entry without your explicit permission as long as you pay your rent (and even if you don't it'll take a while to get a court order which has been a major issue for the folks who bought to rent). If he or she does it anyway it's treated the same as a burglary. That said, I have yet to rent a place and not immediately update the locks. Most landlords know squat about locking technology so you tend to find locks that could get bumped by a 12 year old, or cylinders that can get easily pulled and I'm kinda picky that way..

    4. DS999 Silver badge

      Why is that weird?

      He bought the 98% of it people were willing to sell (probably all pineapple plantations)

      He can't make people sell their property, or purchase public land like government buildings for police stations, etc. Though he's got enough money he could probably make an offer for the remaining 2% at 10x market value with the sale is contingent on everyone agreeing to it. If there was even one holdout then the offer is void.

      1. martinusher Silver badge

        Re: Why is that weird?

        >He can't make people sell their property, or purchase public land like government buildings for police stations, etc.

        Government is actually pretty cheap. Once you have that then 'eminent domain' fixes any other problems.

        What doesn't make a whole lot of sense is that outside Oahu (the island with Honolulu on it) there's nowhere in Hawaii you can drive a Corvette (if you want to get it out of second gear, that is). Even on that island there's only one short bit of freeway.

        1. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

          Re: Why is that weird?

          What doesn't make a whole lot of sense is that outside Oahu (the island with Honolulu on it) there's nowhere in Hawaii you can drive a Corvette (if you want to get it out of second gear, that is). Even on that island there's only one short bit of freeway.

          Oh, I don't know. Maybe with a lot more air in the tyres you can extend that run for quite a few miles? They seem to be able to do that quite well in Iceland..

          :)

        2. DS999 Silver badge

          Eminent domain

          Can only be used for a purpose that's in the public interest.

          So a government can use it to condemn houses to build a new road, and in some cases a private business can use it (via the government, who alone holds that power) to e.g. build a pipeline that will benefit consumers / the economy / national security / whatever.

          I've never heard of nor can I imagine eminent domain being used by a private citizen. There's not much public good associated with "one rich guy won't have to worry about speeding tickets anymore".

        3. Lost Neutrino
          Stop

          Re: Why is that weird?

          > Even on that island there's only one short bit of freeway.

          One short bit of "free"way - with a STOP sign? Maybe Larry should replace the sign with a traffic light, linked to his in-car transponder ("Green! Switch to green! I am coming...")

  4. MiguelC Silver badge

    Oh, the irony

    He bought 98% and the police are part of the other 2%? Didn't he read the fine print on the contract?

    1. Stork Silver badge

      Re: Oh, the irony

      He should have bought the police too - oops!

  5. TimMaher Silver badge
    Coat

    Orange Corvette

    Should have bought a red one.

    1. Roj Blake Silver badge

      Re: Orange Corvette

      Red ones go even faster though...

      1. chivo243 Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: Orange Corvette

        while wearing a raspberry beret...?

        1. Totally not a Cylon
          Flame

          Re: Orange Corvette

          Where's the mind bleach?

          the next line and Larry........

          1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge
            Mushroom

            Re: Mind bleach

            [ shudder ]

            Never mind the bleach. Nuke from orbit!

  6. b0llchit Silver badge
    Coat

    Lawyer redirection

    Does this all mean that the Oracle Lawyer Department will be redirected to fight the fine? All the way to the Supreme Court, of course. That may be a Good ThingTM, not having Oracle Lawyers on the loose for a while.

    1. Roj Blake Silver badge

      Re: Lawyer redirection

      Not having the Supreme Court on the loose for a while might also be a good thing

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Good for him to admit blame.

    (Not good about speeding and running a stop sign, or the other stuff mentioned in the article.) I wish more people had this attitude - "yep, I messed up, no excuse". Make sure to follow it up with actually doing better in the future.

    Also, very good of the officer to not let him go based on who he was. These laws are there to protect people, and being rich and famous doesn't (ok, shouldn't) excuse or protect them.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Good for him to admit blame.

      Lucky he wasn’t suspected of driving while being black/poor!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Lucky he wasn’t suspected of driving while being black/poor!

        What, so you're saying US traffic stops of black people escalate to police shooting people more often than traffic stops of white people?

        Well then I guess you've been watching the data.

        Expect to be downvoted by people who hate evidence.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: people who hate evidence.

          downvote this: https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

      2. Roj Blake Silver badge

        Re: Good for him to admit blame.

        Not the Nine O'Clock News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8EpfyCG2Y

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        2. I could be a dog really Bronze badge

          Re: Good for him to admit blame.

          Sadly only one upvote allowed for that link - I'd guessed what it might be before going there.

    2. Lost Neutrino

      Re: Good for him to admit blame.

      > I wish more people had this attitude - "yep, I messed up, no excuse"

      Admirable, so Larry is not just all bad. But imagine if it had been Elon Musk, instead. Poor cop would have had his Twatter account suspended. For starters...

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Licensing agreement

    Obviously now that there is this evidence that he has breached the licensing agreement by not complying with the terms and conditions, or, as they are more commonly known, traffic laws, he will need to be subject to frequent licensing audits in the future, just as a precautionary measure, of course… What goes around, comes around. Perhaps being restricted to a safe speed and required to have a man with a red flag walk ahead of his car?

  9. gurugeorge

    300 mil buys you 10 london houses or an island

  10. Ken Y-N
    Thumb Down

    "the island had become his petri dish of experimentation on health, wellness and sustainability"

    So where does a Corvette fit in? Is it running on pineapple bio-diesel?

    1. Winkypop Silver badge

      Re: "the island had become his petri dish of experimentation on health, wellness and sustainability"

      The Professor has set it up to run on coconut cream pies!

  11. Mayday
    Stop

    Wants sustainable power, wellness etc.

    Drives a thundering V8 muscle car

    1. Roj Blake Silver badge

      Re: Wants sustainable power, wellness etc.

      Sustainability is for poor people

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Wants sustainable power, wellness etc.

        Of course it is. After all, the rich represent under 1% of world population, a drop in the ocean when you think about resource usage.

        The rest of 99%? Fuck them, bread, water and walking should be enough. Back to the mines, slaves.

        BTW, I hope Greta and all her ilk walk/ride animals/sail to their important eco-crap meetings.

        1. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

          Re: Wants sustainable power, wellness etc.

          "BTW, I hope Greta and all her ilk walk/ride animals/sail to their important eco-crap meetings."

          Nope, it's private planes all the way, one green weenie per plane, at vacation destinations around the world. From there it's V8 powered stretch limos to get around, again one per occupant.

          And this is why their claims are not taken seriously - if they truly believed the shite they're shoveling they'd be doing their confereces online from their homes, which would all be at least 1000ft above sea level. A Zoom conference produces almost no greenhouse gases compared to a fleet of Lear jets converging on remote locations.

  12. Pomgolian
    Joke

    He only bought 98%

    but 100% was available for purchase, so he was charged for the full 100%

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: He only bought 98%

      If he buys a second corvette he'll have to licence a second 'virtual' island to run it on

      1. Happy_Jack

        Re: He only bought 98%

        or if he buys an empty garage that could be populated with a second Corvette.

  13. Evil Auditor Silver badge
    Trollface

    Database botherer? Licencing extortionist, surely.

  14. untrained_eye_of_newt

    landed nobility

    I guess he doesn't tax the inabitants but rather collects all the rent... that's just like the cloud, feudal man

    1. Lost Neutrino
      Pint

      Re: landed nobility

      Nonsense, that would be way too feudalistic and obvious. He sold them OCI contracts instead. But don't underestimate the islanders - they countered by going for the Oracle Cloud Free Tier and are pissing up the 1st month $300 down at the local!

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