back to article Uncle Sam OKs vaccine that protects honeybees against hive-destroying bacterium

Honeybees are fascinating. They make Winnie the Pooh's meal of choice, they perform about 80 percent of pollination worldwide, and one-third of the global food supply relies on them. They are also disappearing due to habitat loss, pesticides, climate change, and disease. Since honeybees play such a crucial role in agriculture …

  1. Don Dumb
    Terminator

    Get ready

    "Now we just have to hope that antivaxxer bees aren't a thing"

    There will be enough idiot humans to do that for them. Cue people campaigning against 'illuminati 5G drone pollinated crops', people selling freedom almonds and raising their own 'vaccine-free' bee populations that won't at all undermine the eradication effort.

    But don't worry, bees aren't important or anything

    1. heyrick Silver badge

      Re: Get ready

      If that happens, just withdraw the bee vaccine...

      ...and then rerelease it the following year as "field administered genetic modification for existant Apis mellifera colonies". That ought to sneak itself under the stupidity radar.

    2. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

      Re: Get ready

      Funny - an hour after this post, the first antvax post appears.

      1. captain veg Silver badge

        Re: Get ready

        Antvax? I thought this was about bees.

        -A.

    3. fg_swe Silver badge

      CDC VAERS

      Have a look at the quick+dirty stuff peddled by the WEF M4fi4.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Thanks!

    I really wondered how you vaccinate bees. I appreciate that you gave the details of that clearly so I could scan the article and figure that part out. It's clever, and lucky that the resistance is carried on to larva that way.

    1. Andy Non Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Thanks!

      Yes, it would be quite difficult to inject bees, without them wanting to inject you back!

      1. AndrueC Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Thanks!

        It would require an extremely thin needle. And I wonder which 'arm' a bee would prefer to have it injected into?

        1. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

          Re: Thanks!

          Butt-jabs.

  3. NoneSuch Silver badge
    Coat

    Daddy...

    ...how did the Zombie apocalypse start?

    With the best of intentions dear...

    Pub O'Clock

    1. Intractable Potsherd

      Re: Daddy...

      "Zom-bee", Shirley?

  4. AdamWill

    well, that explains it

    I was wondering why a bunch of rowdy bees are flying around downtown with tiny "DON'T TREAD ON MY HIVE" signs!

  5. Ace2 Silver badge
    Joke

    Whew. For a second when I saw that this was about “American foulbrood,” I was worried it was about my kids.

  6. Neil Barnes Silver badge

    Just one thought there: I'd much rather have seen something other than 'may' in that sentence. Don't they know? And if they don't, why are they doing it?

    To be clear: This is _not_ an antivax post. I'm all in favour of vaccination; it's well tried and it works across populations. But that 'may' worries me... is this just academic cautiousness, or do they really not know if the vaccine is effective? And if they don't know, why not?

    I'm not an apiarist, further than attending a couple of bee-keeping courses and knowing a handful of keepers, and nor am I a biologist, so I may be missing something entirely obvious... but can anyone clarify this? Maybe just a transcription error in the original report quoted in the article?

    1. Pirate Dave Silver badge

      It could just be the influence of the corporate lawyers where "may" is their Get Out Of Jail Free card if, somehow, the vax does NOT work for a keeper or group of keepers and hives are lost. "We said "may', so you can't sue us if your hive still dies". It may not have anything to do with actual efficacy.

      1. ThatOne Silver badge

        > "may" is their Get Out Of Jail Free card

        Indeed. Haven't you noticed everything is only 99.9% efficient, never 100%? Simply because if you claim infallibility, you're game for every lawsuit-happy get-rich-quick idiot out there. Only claiming there is a chance your product won't work can prevent this.

        1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

          Thanks, it's obvious now you point it out.

          I suppose 'In the seventy-eleven hives in which we tried it, it had an effect in exty percent and eradicated the disease in another zippy percent. Here's the graphs, make your own decision' is a bit too sciencey for a press hand out.

          1. Ken Shabby

            Too many buzzwords?

            1. that one in the corner Silver badge

              Oh, beehave!

    2. HMcG

      Having some experience in agricultural medicine, the most likely reason is that the vaccine requires fairly careful storeage and administration to be effective, and the 'may' is to cover the company for ineffective treatment due to hard-to-prove violations of those requirements.

    3. captain veg Silver badge

      something other than 'may' in that sentence

      How about 'might'?

      I don't think that vaccines need permission to operate.

      -A.

  7. wiggers

    I thought you used antibiotics against bacterial infections, no?

    1. SCP

      In general you can use antibiotics against bacterium - but that would typically be when there is an established infection (in an organism) that needs to be addressed.

      A vaccine aims to stimulate and improve an immune system response (in that organism) ahead of an infection becoming established.

      Generally if an infection has become established then the immune system will already be responding, but there are interesting situations (like cancers) where the threat is not detected by the immune system and vaccines can be used to stimulate an immune system response that deals with the threat.

      1. VeganVegan
        Headmaster

        Clarification

        Antibiotics do work, but they are “stupid”. Most antibiotics have broad-spectrum activity. This is good in that we don’t have to figure out exactly which bacterium is causing the disease and apply the very-specific antibiotic to deal with it. It is bad because broad spectrum activities kill off everything, the good bacteria with the bad.

        Also, recent discoveries show that our immune system can in many cases detect cancer cells, via the usual detection of “foreign” antigens that might be expressed by the cancer cells. These antigens are either truly novel, due to mutations in the cancer cells, or due to expression of antigens that normally are expressed by cells intentionally shielded from the immune system (e.g., testicular antigens).

        The trouble is that cancer cells survive, thru selection, to express cell surface molecules that essentially tell the immune cells “nothing to see here, go away”. The immune cells do “go away”, and the cancer can continue growing and spreading.

        To deal with this, scientists have invented so-called CAR-T cells, chimeric antigen receptor T cells, engineered to recognize tumor antigens, respond robustly to them, and to ignore signals from the cancer cells to tell them to go away. These treatments have terrible side effects, due to the T cells getting very excited upon finding the cancer cells, and the subsequent wholesale destruction of the cancer cells. But, they work! CAR-T cells can eradicate a number of cancers. You will likely see a lot more news about this.

        1. fg_swe Silver badge

          Cancer, T-Cells, mRNA

          https://rumble.com/v18byhs-dr.-ryan-cole-covid-vaccine-side-effects-are-like-a-nuclear-bomb.html

          1. Will Godfrey Silver badge
            Facepalm

            Re: Cancer, T-Cells, mRNA

            That's strange. Over the last few years I've had 4 COVID jabs along with my normal annual FLU jabs - no sign of any 'nuclear bomb' yet. When should I expect this event to take place. I'm already in my seventies, so obviously can't wait much more than another twenty years or so.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      An antibiotic is used to cure a bacterial disease after you have caught it. A Vaccine is used to build immunity to the bacteria before catching it. This will help prevent infection in the first place, or at least reduce the disease severity.

      Also, if you start blasting antibiotics all over the place, there is a good chance that the bacteria will develop immunity.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So this vaccine is ..

    the bees' knees?

    :)

    Joking aside, it's about time someone starts paying attention to the bees but I cannot help but wonder if it would not be better for the bees and pollination resilience in general to establish colonies where they are needed instead of monopolising a few hives and carting them around.

    As it's the US I suspect the answer is "we make more money this way"..

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      Re: So this vaccine is ..

      I suspect the answer might simply be that too many bees are required to pollinate (say) an orchard than might be supportable by other local flowers for the rest of the year. A truckload of hives being carted around the country following the blooms is probably cheaper than growing a bee-food crop locally.

      I've not seen this sort of service in the UK, but a quick search found Barry's Bees who charges just twenty-five quid per hive per season, which seems remarkable cheap for half an acre's enthusiasm: https://barrysbees.co.uk/pollination-contracts/

      https://beefarmers.co.uk/working-with-other-sectors/contract-pollination also appear to offer the service... I learn something new every day!

  9. hairydog

    It would be even more effective if they stopped doing the things that cause the problem. Re-siting hives, huge areas of monoculture, lack of biodiversity, toxic sprays on crops, robbing the honey and replacing it with HFCS.

    1. IGotOut Silver badge

      Hey we're humans, better to bodge a expensive workaround than solve the problems we created.

      1. Craig 2

        "better to bodge a expensive workaround than solve the problems we created."

        So, go back to having a global population a tiny fraction of what it is now? We're waaay too far down the road now to go back to Nature.

  10. captain veg Silver badge

    just here to say...

    Kudos to the author for correct use of "bacterium". And also the headline writer, if not the same person.

    -A.

  11. I should coco

    Big Farm-a

    How much is the life of a bee worth to you? How much are you willing to pay, $1m per bee?

    Or is this not big pharma?

  12. Roj Blake Silver badge

    "Ironically, this exposes the bees to stress and diseases."

    It's like 10,000 honey spoons when all you need is an American who understands the definition of irony.

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