Depends how big a bribe subsidy they're prepared to offer.
TSMC said to be considering first European semiconductor plant
TSMC told The Reg it has no "plans at this time" to site one of its factories in Europe but wouldn't rule anything out amid reports that the world's most strategically important chipmaker was sending senior suits to Dresden, Germany, to discuss the possibility of a factory there. Its comments come weeks after German business …
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Saturday 24th December 2022 12:05 GMT Justthefacts
Re: They can use the money
It’s a subsidy. In other words, whichever company builds there is still paying out a chunk of their own money. If you get a 10bn subsidy, and the cost of production is 8bn more because of location overheads,you’ve come out ahead, but if it’s 12bn more you’re still behind.
If your competitor gets 10bn subsidy, but spends 12bn more, they haven’t “won against you”, they’ve bought themselves a white elephant.
Each company does its own sums. But that’s almost not the real problem, seen from a company POV. If the German gov gives you 10bn, they feel they’ve bought the right to special treatment and a say in lots of commercial decisions. For example, what happens in ten years if a Chinese auto-maker is prepared to pay 20% more for a bunch of chips than VW? Are TSMC going to be allowed to take the rational commercial decision and export them from Germany, leaving VW dangling? Because if not, that’s a real problem, right there, and seriously reduces the value-to-TSMC of that factory. You really need to value the true costs of national protectionism.
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Friday 23rd December 2022 19:24 GMT DS999
CC Wei's comments
While it is true that the pendulum swinging away from free trade towards more protectionism distorts the market, it also a terrible idea to have so much of the world's leading edge semiconductor output happening in one place. One place that happens to also be disputed by a major power and in a very seismically active part of the planet.
So even if other concerns caused it to happen, it is a good thing for the world economy to have TSMC building facilities in the US, Europe and Japan instead of putting more eggs in the Taiwanese basket.
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Friday 23rd December 2022 19:43 GMT martinusher
Re: CC Wei's comments
The media gives a very distorted picture of where semiconductors are being made. Articles like this one give the impression that the only fabs that are important are TSMC's in Taiwan. This is misleading. Intel, for example, is a huge semiconductor manufacturer and, for example, their plant in Rio Rancho (Albuquerque), New Mexico uses all the latest lithographic techniques.
I suspect its the old story that corporations would like to grow their business but would rather someone else provided the capital to do this. Semiconductors are a big, profitable, business so it should be possible for it to become even bigger in the normal course of business.
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Friday 23rd December 2022 21:08 GMT Richard 12
Re: CC Wei's comments
Intel only make their own chips.
While they're apparently considering starting contract manufacturing, it remains to be seen whether that ever actually happens.
If you want to get top-line CPU or GPU chips made and you aren't Intel, TSMC are your only choice.
There's far more options for older nodes though.
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Sunday 25th December 2022 14:56 GMT Len
Re: Netherlands
The thing is, if you build a fab, you only do a handful of transactions with a supplier of machinery (such as ASML) whereas you do daily transactions for the rest of the life of the plant with your customers.
These chips need to go into cars, helicopters, power tools, computers etc. so it makes sense to be closer to TSMC customers. Hence these companies typically decide to go for Germany, Italy or France (in that order) because that's where the high tech industry is.
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Sunday 25th December 2022 15:30 GMT StrangerHereMyself
No choice
Both the U.S. and Europe desperately want to ensure they do not become too dependent on Asian semiconductors and the U.S. is effectively strong-arming TSMC and Taiwan into transplanting semiconductor fabs onto U.S. soil. Europe too is spending large amounts on subsidies to entice TSMC to put fabs on their continent.
The only drawback is that TSMC is unwilling to transplant fabs with its most advanced process technology outside of Taiwan (probably at the instigation of the Taiwanese government, who see this unique capability as a sort of "security guarantee").
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Monday 26th December 2022 17:47 GMT Binraider
Stating the obvious - why rule out any option.
Like the US, any prospective move will be founded on security fears and/or how much subsidy that can translate into.
Another way to view this translating taxes into regional jobs.
I'll leave that to your own politics if you think that's a good idea or not.