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Ukraine's hunger for Starlink service continues unabated, and several EU countries have stepped in to help the war-torn nation foot the bill for an additional 10,000 terminals set to be delivered in the coming months. Speaking to Bloomberg, Ukrainian deputy prime minister Mykhailo Fedorov said a contract has yet to be signed, …

  1. MiguelC Silver badge

    "Borschchevik"??

    April the 1st, already?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Like there isn't already a big map at Starlink hq with the gps coordinates of every single station that Elon could dump and send it to his buddy Putin on a whim

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Borshchevik is in its final testing stages

    Russian claims are - much more often than not - just hot air, and the best their 'private sector' can muster, is to re-brand a Chinese robo-dog and screw in an akm on top. And I'm not at all suggesting they aren't capable, it's just that corruption in Russia goes across, or rather, through, in all directions, in all sectors, and particularly the military and thwarts any success. Actually it's quite impressive to see what they've actually managed to achieve _despite_ corruption, and quite scary to think how capable they could be with less corruption. Fortunately for the world, this Russian flaw is impossible to repair, because the whole system is based on corruption.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Borshchevik is in its final testing stages

      ... because the whole system is based on corruption.

      Unlike the EU, US, UK etc etc. Money makes the world go around and it goes much faster when there's a few wars on. The West gets to dump old stock to Ukraine, and replace it with the latest kit.. eventually. Ukraine's already got a New York, next it could have a New Slough. After all, that was built around a post-WW2 scrap & recycling yard. Meanwhile, politicans and pals get richer, everyone else gets poorer, and a lot of people on both sides of the conflict get dead & maimed.

      With so much money sloshing around though, it's no real suprise the West isn't interested in peace.

      1. Potemkine! Silver badge

        Re: Borshchevik is in its final testing stages

        The West gets to dump old stock to Ukraine

        Not totally true. HIMARS or CAESAR cannot be considered as 'old stock'.

        it's no real suprise the West isn't interested in peace.

        The West has nothing to do in that. We don't need another Munich. Peace will happen when Putin Khuylo decides to stop his ruthless invasion of a neighbouring country. He is the one responsible for this war, as he is for all the war crimes committed by the Russian army and mercenaries.

        == Bring us Dabbsy back! ==

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: Borshchevik is in its final testing stages

          Not totally true. HIMARS or CAESAR cannot be considered as 'old stock'.

          And how many of those have we donated? How many are still operational? And perhaps most importantly, how much ammunition can we produce for them?

          We don't need another Munich.

          I think you mean 'Minsk'. Choose either v1 or v2, both those were ignored and used to buy time for Ukraine to train, arm and prepare to re-occupy their Rhineland.

          He is the one responsible for this war, as he is for all the war crimes committed by the Russian army and mercenaries.

          Nope. The parties responsilble for committing those crimes are. War crimes are happening on all sides, and the parties responsible should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law by a neutral panel. This, I think could be one of the most productive outcomes. As I've said before, if it's illegal to shell a hospital or apartment building in Kiev, it should be illegal to shell a hospital or apartments in Donetsk.. But that's what the HIMARS wundewaffe is being used for.

          It could also extend to tests of other international law, like this-

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment

          International law posits that no person may be punished for acts that he or she did not commit. It ensures that the collective punishment of a group of persons for a crime committed by an individual is forbidden...This is one of the fundamental guarantees established by the Geneva Conventions and their protocols. This guarantee is applicable not only to protected persons but to all individuals, no matter what their status, or to what category of persons they belong..."

          See also the EU's latest round of sanctions targetting Russian entertainers. Or just the way 'we' in the West condone institutional racisim. It's ok to punish 'orcs' because they're subhumans. And we know what happened the last time a state did that. Or see-

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64060437

          To illustrate the brutality of the war, Mr Zelensky evoked US troops fighting the Nazis during World War Two.

          Except this time, we're supporting the Nazis. See also-

          https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/12/16/ukraine-deradicalized-its-extremist-troops-now-they-might-be-preparing-a-counteroffensive/?sh=268e5fd7692d

          Complete with screenshots taken from a video where WW2 balkenkreuz and wolfsangle emblems are painted on the sides of 'US' (ok, Dutch) AFVs. Or the number of OUN flags proudly waved, or the 'hero' of Ukraine, Stepan Banderas. See also-

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

          Where WW2 era symbols that have reappeared are illegal in Germany. Also Poland, and there were attempts to get the EU to implement a similar ban across the EU republic.

          So it's been a very strange conflict. Much like when 'we' supported Al Qaeda during Afghanistan v Russia, we seem unconcerned by the blowback. To get back to the topic, if Starlink is being used by Ukraine's military, then it, along with other commercial satellites become parties to the conflict and legitimate targets. What happens then is anybody's guess, because we're already very close to direct and declared war with Russia.

          Worst thing is that following on from the Minsk false peace deal, Russia doesn't exactly trust the West. Can't think why. So instead it'll continue until Ukraine (or the EU) is forced to seek terms. Which is probably not that far off. Bahkmut looks like it's finally about to fall, and the messaging is that it's an insignificant city anway. Which doesn't really explain why Ukraine is sacrificing so much to hold it. That it's a key logistics hub, and one of the last heavily fortified bastions that had been developed since the 2014 coup probably does.

        2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: Borshchevik is in its final testing stages

          Peace will happen when Putin Khuylo..

          Hello.. ancestor? Haven't we met before?

          It's interesting the way terms are bandied about by people who presumably don't know the origins of that insult. Especially given the modern-day context and history of those that coined it.

          But I digress. Both HIMARRS and CAESAR are fine for shelling hotels, assuming you have the ammunition. This conflict has instead shown how lower cost weapons like drones, and consumer satellite dishes have become important in modern warfare. So not suprisingly, counters will be developed, and if that means Starlink's satellites adding to orbital debris, that's politics for you.

      2. Lon24

        Re: Borshchevik is in its final testing stages

        "... because the whole system is based on corruption.

        Unlike the EU, US, UK etc etc. Money makes the world go around and it goes much faster when there's a few wars on."

        True, but there is a difference. In the west the remains of the free press and investigative reporting is some sort of cap on corruption. Too little and too late maybe but it does mean the corrupt need to be careful and some of the less smart do get culled eventually.

        Whereas in Russia - is this something that the kleptocrats even have to worry about? The less smart just get pawned by the not so less smart.

        (Let the Russian downvote bot count commence ;-)

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: Borshchevik is in its final testing stages

          Whereas in Russia - is this something that the kleptocrats even have to worry about? The less smart just get pawned by the not so less smart.

          Russia does lock up kleptocrats. Whether that's justified is a matter for debate. EU leaders are found with bags of cash and it's BAU. Earlier this morning, the US dropped it's >$1tn Omnibill budget expecting that to get passed today. Pelosi gets a building named after her, US politicians are given less than 24hrs to study 4,000+ pages of bacon slices.

          But such is politics.

          It's still interesting just how much further 'we' are going to push things. So far, well over $100bn has been given to the country that gave a Biden a no-show job. Starlink's getting a small slice of that pie for providing communications to combatants, threatening the service for it's non-military users. Or providing useful intelligence via it's earth stations. One curious aspect of the 'expansionist' Russia is it didn't seem to have very good satellite surveillance over Ukraine. It's been launching ELINT sattelites fairly steadily over the last few months though, so it'll be interestng to see if those can detect active Starlink terminals. Another option would be weather it has drones that could detect those as well. Bigger risk is if Russia decides to target satellites that are involved in the conflict, and disable or destroy those. If those are commercial, there's probably little recourse for the satellite operators given they're supporting the conflict.

    2. Aitor 1

      Re: Borshchevik is in its final testing stages

      Yes, the starlink antenna detector seems unlikely.

      The reason is it is a directional antenna.

      I haven't tested or know of anyone who has tested the leakage of radio waves.. iit certainly leaks, how much, I don't know, not much is my guess, they are directional after all and all leakage is lost useful power and increased noise.

      I am going with "don't believe you". Or maybe they can detect the wifi from the system.. that is certainly possible.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: Borshchevik is in its final testing stages

        I am going with "don't believe you". Or maybe they can detect the wifi from the system.. that is certainly possible.

        There are commercial satellite services that can already monitor phone signals and general RF activity from space. What the pros can do, well, they won't be saying. Challenge for this application for Starlink terminals is if they're the only RF emitters in the middle of a bunch of fields, or woodland. Then, they'll stand out rather more than if they were in a more polluted 2GHz environment like a city. There have already been reports that 'smart' phones act as artillery summoning devices. with only a few minutes from phones being switched on to shells landing.

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