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Ukraine's Mykhailo Fedorov, vice prime minister and minister for digital transformation, spoke to press at Amazon Web Services' re:Invent conference in Las Vegas, describing how emergency migration to the cloud is securing the country's digital infrastructure. "Let me be honest with you. This is priceless. State registers and …

  1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

    Please see here on El Reg ....... https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2022/11/29/lockheed_martin_cyber_training/#c_4576858 ......and expect and prepare yourselves for more news of what could possibly go wrong .... apart from practically everything and virtually nothing, right, ..... whenever any masterplan is mostly significant inaction and for much that exists to capture and captivate the ignorant and unwary masses is planned to remain exactly the same as was before with identical command and controllers intent on wielding and exercising their failing powers.

    So beware if you don’t dare care and share novel ground-breaking news of AWEsome Developments in Titanic Programmes for Colossal Projects, now that you have been made more aware of the environment you have been launched into, for such is as that is and there is no escaping from its IT and AI. I Kid U Not.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

      If your ship is heading into an iceberg, you do not investigate the reviews about the best lifebuoy. You pick the one you can get.

      In this case, Ukraine tried to save what it could. for that AWS might fit the requirements and could do the job. Not doing it was no option and trying to get in a "better partner" was no option either.

      1. rg287

        Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

        This. You might prefer to migrate elsewhere in future, but when Russia invaded, we were all assuming Kyiv might fall within a week.

        It was not who had the "best" product, but who had Snowball Appliances/Azure Data Boxes available and able to deliver them to Ukraine on a timeline measured in hours.

        AWS made the offer, the Ukrainians bit their hand off. Maybe Azure could have met the requirement too, but they weren't banging on the embassy door offering their services.

      2. ravenviz Silver badge

        Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

        So who got to keep the pogs?

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      3. Tail Up

        Re: Oh... ...nowadays

        no time to surf the Sources, no knowledge of foreign languages, it's understandable

        bit will it be forgiven when the Veil falls from their eyes?

        be forewarned if, by unlucky chance, you don't know thst ideas like pseufo-Ukrainian Neo-Nazism swiftly reborn into stinky worms, devastating the Inbox and putting inside of it the Satanic substanse instead of brain

        not a Human then any more

        no forgiving then any longer

        it was your choice - to stick with the Hand that fills the Trough, faking the bright idea of Jaws that Bite the Hand that Feeds IT, and carefully avoiding to think independently

        cowardous it is, or foolish? are you to choose tonight and tomorrow

        but the reality has a door much heavier to open than these two ones above

        nect five years will tell you the word which my tongue refuses to pronounce

        get through it, loose the vainly vanished vein of thinking self-righteously and slavishly, never trying to look out to see the Out There

        Time will rip your skin of your wrong choice off the God-given flesh then, and God blessed you if madness and sorrow and Hell not followed you till the Last Stop

        .

        dixi

    2. Plest Silver badge

      Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

      I agree, I think, but when your back's to the wall there's only one way to go and you gotta start punching and quicklly to get some space while you look for an escape.

      No one wants to be locked into Bezos of Bill's nightmare data factories but Ukraine didn't exactly have a lot of choice, jump or die were the two choices and they certainly weren't going to lay down and give in to that short-arsed little sod sitting in the Kremlin.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

        No one wants to be locked into Bezos of Bill's nightmare data factories but Ukraine didn't exactly have a lot of choice, jump or die were the two choices

        It had a choice a decade ago. Ukraine has/had some very smart IT types and software developers. It also has a lot of deep holes either from old Warsaw Pact bunkers, or salt & other mineral extraction, although a lot of the mining was done in the east. Some Ukrainians had the idea to build secure, deep datacentres but struggled to get funding. Especially in the face of the MS/AWS marketing onslaught. Fibre links would still have been vulnerable, but the DC's themselves (excluding power) would still be pretty safe, and some of the proposals made sense as geographical hub location. Regulation and legislation was also fixable by just paying the right oligarchs to propose it.. But those issues also help explain why Ukraine's in the mess it's in now.

        1. Sandtitz Silver badge
          FAIL

          Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

          "But those issues also help explain why Ukraine's in the mess it's in now."

          Yes, that's what the pro-Russia trolls keep saying.

          Ukraine is in the mess because Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and then quite foolishly started their inept war last year which has turned into wanton infrastructure destruction.

          1. martinusher Silver badge

            Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

            >Ukraine is in the mess because Russia annexed Crimea in 2014

            It was probably in a bit of a mess well before that. Crimea is just a relatively small part of the country's total area and its also a part that includes areas that were never part of Ukraine, they were 'Federal Reservations'. (That's the military installations, in case you've not guessed.) After Maidan I couldn't see Russia just leaving the bases they've been using for 300 or more years and turning the keys over to NATO. There's quite a bit of history there.

            What's probably more pertinent was the simmering civil war in the East. If you poke around the Interweb you can find reports from that area that predate any "Special Military Operation". It was quite nasty, quite a lot of people killed (we think about 14,000), many people left the area (by all accounts a couple of million split between IA and RU) and so on.Attempts to find a political settlement ("Minsk") were blocked.....anyway, its al rather more complicated than the good guys / bad guys scenario that is presented to us daily. You can even find the roots of the problem from 100+ years ago. (...and then there's the whole Crimea War thing, The Charge of the Light Brigade and so on, we were in there doing what for what reason?)

            1. TheMeerkat

              Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

              You are a Russia troll, spreading stupid narrative of the fascist regime in Kremlin.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

                Jesus... a golden badge is saying that...

                i feel sorry for the educatef members of society, proudly bearing this badge,

                because your comment may well have sighns of pure hypocricy, not confirmed by the knowledge of a situation on field

                fancy how many badgers share your, pardon me, tv-informed misconception. let's see the downvotes

                less bbc evenings, maybe

                to apper more coherent and wash away the possibility of being ashamed, would you please bother your seat and take it to Ukraine at her last days unter the SleepyJ&AcaDick's cutthroats... or visit the independent Ukraine after Europe realise that it has been used and misused as a launchpad for ww3

                you won't go to Krimea, Donbass or Lugansk to see it all as it is, would you?

                WOULD YOU?

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

              > After Maidan I couldn't see Russia just leaving the bases they've been using for 300 or more years and turning the keys over to NATO. There's quite a bit of history there.

              Long and complex history can lead to crimes, but they remain crimes, even in light of history.

              In the end, it was Russia what did to Ukraine what it had done to Georgia, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Syria, Chechnya, and Belarus, among others: It started "civil" wars run by Russian nationals, send in troops, and if that was not enough, started all out wars of destruction.

          2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

            Yes, that's what the pro-Russia trolls keep saying.

            Oh, an ad hom from a бандерівець! How original!

            Ukraine is in the mess because Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and then quite foolishly started their inept war last year which has turned into wanton infrastructure destruction.

            You're perhaps not old enough to remember the details. But what happened was a bit of a coup and armed insurrection that removed Ukraine's government and replaced it. Then a bit of a civil war. And an idea that 'we' could kick Russia out of it's naval base in Crimea and turn it into a proper NATO one. The Crimean population objected to the new regime removing it's autonomy, and voted for independence. As for wanton destruction, that mostly happened when Ukraine attempted to regain control of Donetsk and Luhansk. Plus wanton destruction can be legal, just ask the Yugoslavians.

            My point was that diplomacy could have prevented this mess, although we'd then have been denied the 'shock and awe' effects of our sanctions against ourselves. Or just amusing situations like Ursula von der Liar doing something highly out of character and telling the truth. Her handlers quickly realised their error and edited her comments yesterday so now Ukraine hasn't taken 100,000+ casualties since this conflict started. The rest of her statement was left intact, so basically a cunning EU plan to create a new court to legally steal Russia's foreign reserves. Oh, and fining Hungary 15bn for not following EU diktats.

            An analogy would be the UK deciding that Welsh, Scottish and NI autonomy isn't such a great idea. Or the SNP winning a vote for independence, and Westminster responding by saying 'Nope!', banning Welsh and Gaelic, banning Burn's Night and burning his books and then shelling Edinburgh. But we're civilised. We only do that sort of thing to other people's countries.

            1. Sandtitz Silver badge
              FAIL

              Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

              Yes, that's what the pro-Russia trolls keep saying.

              Oh, an ad hom from a бандерівець! How original!

              I didn't call you a pro-Russia troll. I'm just alluding that you're just spouting what the big boys in the yard have been telling you.

              "But what happened was a bit of a coup and armed insurrection that removed Ukraine's government and replaced it."

              It was only a 'bit of coup' because Yanukovich fleed to Russia before an impeachment vote was to be done and thus failed to do his presidential duties. Ousting him was not done by the book because there was no government left (many ministers and other rich figures and politicians fled immediately after him) and a functional government was urgently needed.

              Yanukovich still hasn't entered Ukrainian soil to face the music, and neither have the other accused. Yanukovich was sentenced to 13 years for high treason.

              "Then a bit of a civil war"

              They say that in Russia, don't they. There was no civil war.

              "And an idea that 'we' could kick Russia out of it's naval base in Crimea and turn it into a proper NATO one."

              No such thing with NATO. That's a fantasy of yours. Russia had leased Sevastopol naval base until 2017. Ukraine's constitution forbade permanent foreign military bases after 2017. See the Kharkiv Pact article on Wikipedia to get your facts right.

              "As for wanton destruction, that mostly happened when Ukraine attempted to regain control of Donetsk and Luhansk."

              Any references to back that up? Didn't think so.

              "Plus wanton destruction can be legal, just ask the Yugoslavians."

              There is no Yugoslavian, are you stuck in the Iron Curtain past perhaps?

              Russia has quite effectively bombed the Ukrainian power plants, hospitals, schools and residential buildings. That's the wanton destruction part. Those were not military targets at all.

              "My point was that diplomacy could have prevented this mess"

              Diplomacy and decency cuts both ways. Russia hasn't played the diplomat role for quite some time.

              "Ursula von der Liar"

              Wow, what a way with words. I envy you not.

              "cunning EU plan to create a new court to legally steal Russia's foreign reserves"

              Putin had a cunning plan to steal Ukrainian land for themselves. Now it is backfiring.

              Last March Russia seized hundreds of foreign airplanes for no legal reason. Please explain if you can.

              "An analogy would be the UK deciding that Welsh, Scottish and NI autonomy isn't such a great idea."

              Oh, I agree with you on this one. Putin has not come to terms with the collapse of Soviet Union and the independence of the several countries from its dissolution, and Vlad wants grab all of them back into a greater Russia.

              1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

                I'm just alluding that you're just spouting what the big boys in the yard have been telling you.

                And you're not?

                Ousting him was not done by the book because there was no government left (many ministers and other rich figures and politicians fled immediately after him) and a functional government was urgently needed.

                That's.. a pretty unique way to present armed insurrection and a coup. Around 120 dead, 2,000 injured, and 328 MPs left to vote Yanukovych out of office the day Svoboda and pals started the killings. It's also hardly suprising Yanukovich fled the country to avoid becoming a Gadaffi. Poroshenko also later fled the country, but then returned after his successor charged him with 'state treason' and terrorism for buying coal from Ukrainians.

                Any references to back that up? Didn't think so.

                Like I said, you're probably too young to remember the civil war. But educate yourself a little here-

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014-2022)

                There is no Yugoslavian, are you stuck in the Iron Curtain past perhaps?

                Russia has quite effectively bombed the Ukrainian power plants, hospitals, schools and residential buildings. That's the wanton destruction part. Those were not military targets at all.

                Correct. We invaded Yugoslavia and well, Balkanised it. But compare and contrast-

                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63754808

                An attacking force may hope that destroying the civilian power grid will lower the morale of the enemy, but that is not enough to justify the attack under international law. There must also be a concrete military advantage before the attack is deemed legal.

                And-

                https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/b990503a.htm

                We regret the inconvenience that power outages have caused to the Serb people but we have no choice but to continue attacking every element of the Yugoslav armed forces until such time as President Milosevic accepts the demands of the international community, those five unconditional points which we reiterate every day

                So bombing Yugoslavia's energy infrastructure in order to try and force Milosevic to accept terms was legal. When Russia does the same thing, it isn't. After our victory, we redrew Yugoslavia's borders, and it ceased to exist. States can be erased it seems, when we want them to.

                Diplomacy and decency cuts both ways. Russia hasn't played the diplomat role for quite some time.

                Well, it has. There was Minsk, but that was largely a stalling tactic so we could build up Ukraine's military to a point where it could try to recapture Donetsk and Luhansk. Zelensky passed a law last year authorising that, along with taking back Crimea. We fixated on 'Russian troop buildups', Russia focused on the Ukrainian forces being built up along the Donbas contact line. We made repeated threats to Russia, but didn't bother telling Ukraine to honor Minsk. We still don't seem interested in pushing for any kind of peace negotiations or cease-fires, and instead keep pouring money and weapons into Ukraine to prolong the conflict.

                But that's what liars do. Ursula made an official statement yesterday, published an official video and transcript mentioning the 100k dead. Then tried to walk it back. Of course the Internet never forgets, and now people can see what fake news really looks like. Not on the Bbc of course, they've chosen not to comment on something that's rather politically significant.

                Last March Russia seized hundreds of foreign airplanes for no legal reason. Please explain if you can.

                Littering? So we imposed sanctions that prevented aircraft moving, or companies doing business in or with Russia. We also froze Russia's sovereign foreign currency reserves, and implemented collective punishment to seize assets from people who might know Putin. Collective punishment is usually considered illegal. There are possible legal reasons to seize assets within Russia, eg they've not paid airport fees, wages, taxes etc so property has been arrested and seized. This is legal. It's happened a lot with Russian people's yachts, some of which have now been auctioned off because their owners can't pay fees or make loan repayments. The owners can't even hire lawyers to challenge those seizures and forced sales because they're sanctioned.

                The biggie is still probably figuring out a way to steal the currency reserves and other assets though because they're worth around $300bn in cash and probably the same in other assets. Investing $100bn in Ukraine to get $5-600bn back is a pretty good ROI, especially when you can give reconstruction money to friends & family, or just skim 10% as a handling fee.

                1. Sandtitz Silver badge
                  FAIL

                  Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

                  "That's.. a pretty unique way to present armed insurrection and a coup. Around 120 dead, 2,000 injured, and 328 MPs left to vote Yanukovych out of office the day Svoboda and pals started the killings."

                  Now that's just untrue. Most of the dead were protesters, killed by Police snipers, riot police and Yanukovich very own paramilitaries, titushky.

                  "They say that in Russia, don't they. There was no civil war."

                  "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014-2022)"

                  Check the page again, son. The only people calling it a civil war was Russkies, no-one else. Others could say it was just another proxy war by Russia, feeding materiel and training to those who are disillusioned with the government - those people always exist in any country.

                  "Correct. We invaded"

                  Who is you? I certainly didn't, my country didn't.

                  Just to annoy you even more: yes, attacking civilian infrastructure in Serbia and Ukraine is a war crime. Do you now agree that Russian troops are guilty of war crimes or are you willing to absolve both Russia and the US?

                  "Zelensky passed a law last year authorising that, along with taking back Crimea"

                  International law states that Crimea is Ukrainian soil. Only Norks and Russia depended Syria supported Russia on this. Fine company there.

                  I'm fully all right with Ukraine taking back what's theirs.

                  Now, please defend Dear Leader Putin for a change and please remind us who are the "satanists" in Ukraine. After that you could educate us all why exactly Jehovah's Witnesses are an extremist group and were banned in Russia.

                  "now people can see what fake news really looks like."

                  There was embarrassingly wrong information, so the video was redacted, and EU posted a correction.

                  "So we imposed sanctions that prevented aircraft moving, or companies doing business in or with Russia."

                  Those aircraft or companies were still owned by non-Russian entities. Sei

                  "There are possible legal reasons to seize assets within Russia, eg they've not paid airport fees, wages, taxes etc so property has been arrested and seized."

                  Man you're grasping at straws again. Russia hasn't stated the reason for their seizures. They just took something that didn't belong to them.

                  "The biggie is still probably figuring out a way to steal the currency reserves and other assets though because they're worth around $300bn in cash and probably the same in other assets. Investing $100bn in Ukraine to get $5-600bn back is a pretty good ROI, especially when you can give reconstruction money to friends & family, or just skim 10% as a handling fee.

                  Russia has already done €600B damages to Ukraine so when they war ends in Russia's defeat, they will be asked for reparations. Because the Russian kleptocracy won't probably pay a single kopek, those assets are fair game to me.

                  1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                    Re: Oh dear .... that is certainly concerning and definitely disconcerting nowadays

                    Now that's just untrue. Most of the dead were protesters, killed by Police snipers, riot police and Yanukovich very own paramilitaries, titushky.

                    No, it is not. The Bbc at the time was based in a hotel overlooking the square at the time, and reported mystery 'snipers' shooting at both the police and the protestors. Same thing happened at the start of the Libyan and Syrian civil wars, and is just part of the coup/regime change playbook. And as is typical for a Banderista, you ignore the 'Ultras' and titushy recruited by Ukraine's oligarchs to provide muscle for the insurrection, and then became legitimised as Azov etc, or paramilitaries under Ukraine's secret police. They basically copied the German pre and WW2 playbook for seizing power.

                    Check the page again, son. The only people calling it a civil war was Russkies, no-one else.

                    Sure thing pops! Then again, you could just google it. Or just ponder the definition of civil war. Since 2014 it's been pretty much entirely Ukraine v Ukraine, with Crimea and Donbas wanting to be independent from Kiev.

                    Just to annoy you even more: yes, attacking civilian infrastructure in Serbia and Ukraine is a war crime. Do you now agree that Russian troops are guilty of war crimes or are you willing to absolve both Russia and the US?

                    Nope, but let's wait and see what the West does. It's been shouting war crimes loudly for a long time, so let's see how hypocritical it continues before. As I've said repeatedly before, if these actions are war crimes, then the law needs to be applied equally, and consistently. Personally, I don't think they are because as the NATO spokeman said, it's a way to try and force parties to the negotiating table, or just prevent or hamper Ukraine redeploying forces from Kherson to Bakhmut, moving reinforcements or supplies to the front etc etc.

                    Also you're not annoying me, you're amusing me by demonstrating your ignorance, gullibility or poor grasp of psyops.

                    There was embarrassingly wrong information, so the video was redacted, and EU posted a correction.

                    How can the leader of the mighty EU be so embarrassingly wrong? Didn't any of Ursula's minions fact-check her statement before she read it, and it was broadcast? But the EU didn't post a correction. It attempted to retract and repost an alternative version and erase that embarrassing mistake. Thus altering the official record, and demonstrating how untrustworthy that can be.

                    Now, please defend Dear Leader Putin for a change and please remind us who are the "satanists" in Ukraine.

                    Well, there have been images of satanic stuff, including some ONA (Order of the Nine Angles), who are a very disturbed bunch. Also not entirely suprising given neo-Nazi, Pagan and occult/esotericism are often part of the same delusional belief systems. There'll probably also be some on the Russian side as well because they also have their share of nutters.

                    Man you're grasping at straws again. Russia hasn't stated the reason for their seizures.

                    Then why are you asking me? I just gave you examples of where assets can legally be seized. Things like ships and aircraft are regularly arrested because they're being claimed by creditors, in default, or sometimes just unsafe to be moved. We've stated some reasons for our collective punishment and seizures, ie possibly being a friend of Putin. Which is also why a lot of that stuff hasn't been permanently confiscated, ie there's no legal basis to take and sell property just because you assosciate with someone the West has a hard-on for.

                    Russia has already done €600B damages to Ukraine so when they war ends in Russia's defeat, they will be asked for reparations. Because the Russian kleptocracy won't probably pay a single kopek, those assets are fair game to me.

                    Like I said, $600bn makes the investment worth it. Of course legally, you'd have to prove damages. But again, you are hopelessly wrong. Russia has already been rebuilding it's territory in places like Donetsk, Mariupol etc etc. Kherson may get more legally interesting given most of the damage done there was from Ukrainian shelling whilst Russia occupied it. There'd also potentially be claims for the confiscation of Gazprom property in Germany and London, compensation for damage to Nordstream 2, claims for breach of contract for gas & oil supplies etc etc. Those could be challenging given Russia and Russian businesses are denied legal representation in 'free and fair' Europe. Lawyers would get rich, especially if they test the legality of sanctions and economic warfare in the first place.

                    Or Russia just ignores all that nonsense and focuses on new alliances and partnerships along with China, while the EU and West slowly become less relevant. We're barely into winter, and already our political elite are showing signs of panic.

  2. Will Godfrey Silver badge

    Why Now?

    They apparently started to put this together nearly a year ago, and it seems it's been pretty complete for a long time. I'm guessing that AWS has already been under attack from Russian supported crims, so there's no point in keeping quiet about it now.

    1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Re: Why Now?

      re:Invent is an annual conference, the previous one was in 2021, before the invasion.

  3. TVU Silver badge

    'Russian missiles can't destroy the cloud': Ukraine leader describes emergency migration

    One of the solutions there is for NATO countries to massively ramp up the supplies of interceptor missiles to Ukraine so that malignant Putin's weapons can't reach their targets.

    Under other circumstances, I'd say "it isn't rocket science" but in this case it is - lots of it bound and for Ukraine.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: 'Russian missiles can't destroy the cloud': Ukraine leader describes emergency migration

      Unfortunately the current techno reality is that anti-missile tech is not able to sufficiently neutralize missile and drone tech. The cost is attempting to do so is prohibitive.

      That's why, under the circumstances, I think Ukraine should be supplied with the means to respond in kind. Ukraine's allies should start saying yesterday that further long range missile attacks on civilian infrastructure will result in supplying Ukraine to attack symmetrically.

      Underlying this logic is the fact that EU/NATO countries have an existential stake in preventing a huge fraction (1/2 ?) of Ukraine's 43 million people from ending up as permanent refugees in the West, not to mention the domino affect in case of Russian victory. It's time to match Russia's bluff.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: 'Russian missiles can't destroy the cloud': Ukraine leader describes emergency migration

      Good for the goose.

      If the best NATO air defenses cannot protect against Russian missiles, then clearly the reverse is true. Russia cannot defend its airspace. Destroy Russia's military and supporting infrastructure, including its oil and power stations, inside Russia.

      When they bluster and threaten nukes, destroy twice as many. You'll be happy to stop when they deliver Putin for a war crimes trial and fully withdraw from Ukraine.

  4. Marty McFly Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Grab data residency laws, open window, toss....

    Isn't it interesting how we have all these laws about data residency and which soil the data center resides on. And when faced with actual physical warfare, suddenly moving that data outside the country's boundary becomes acceptable & invited.

    I've always thought these data residency laws were nonsense anyway. Just a way to get AWS / GCP / Oracle / etc to build a data center within the country, paying taxes, hiring workers, etc.

    The big fear is always that whatever country could go and snoop the data because the datacenter was within their borders. Yeah, I suppose. However, if the data is properly encrypted and the keys are held elsewhere, then it is really a moot point. "But the law says the data can't leave...", blah, blah, blah.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Grab data residency laws, open window, toss....

      So ultimately, all data should be stored in China because it is cheap and even cheaper because the CCP will subsidize it?

      However, if the data is properly encrypted and the keys are held elsewhere ... - but evidently it is not so secured, judging by massive number of leaks resulting from poorly secured buckets (which is a matter of poor/absent passwords & ssh-keys found on github - not even a matter of encrypting all the data which is pretty rare).

      1. Marty McFly Silver badge
        Thumb Down

        Re: Grab data residency laws, open window, toss....

        Enter the Straw Man.

        Good thing we have all that data stored in our data center, on our soil. With the keys posted to Github, everything would be exposed if the servers physically sat in a different country. We really dodged a bullet on this one! Whew!

    2. eldakka

      Re: Grab data residency laws, open window, toss....

      > However, if the data is properly encrypted and the keys are held elsewhere, then it is really a moot point.

      Sure, if the only point is to have a safe backup of your data. But how are you going to use the data in the cloud if it can't be decrypted in the cloud to be used? e.g. it's great having an offline copy of your property records, but if you need to check said property record, it needs to be decrypted - in the cloud - for the cloud application to be able to be used to view that data.

      If the 'cloud' is going to be used for the business of the government, then the data needs to be able to be decreypted within the cloud infrastructure that is also providing the business services to use that data.

  5. eldakka
    Coat

    firstly:

    > AWS Snowball

    ewww, though for some that might just be 'kinky'.

    > 'Russian missiles can't destroy the cloud'

    Putin: "Challenge accepted!"

    1. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

      Yes, and the RETN.net backbone has been busy hacking:

      "HORIZON LLC" 62.204.41.0/24

      "Chang Way Technologies" (aka Hostway) 91.240.118.0/24, 92.255.85.0/24

      "Cloud Solutions S.A." 179.60.147.0/24.

  6. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Important note to all .... phishing is endemic in systems in panic and states of terror

    Missives, not missiles, destroy clouds and armchair warriors alike, dependent upon the flow/currency of intellectually bankrupt and fiscally indebted, foreign and alien wealth spending for politically incorrect memes/unstable regimes/criminalising cabals.

    That is why, and have you noticed, that most established news channels, pimping and pumping and dumping editorial opinions on information and intelligence decided on as worthy of another new day’s presentation/0day introduction, never/no longer provide any immediate very simple means for active proactive or reactive interaction/live customer engagement with the views we are being expected to believe as honestly true and blindly accept and follow.

    Such an omission identifies them as affiliated to a dedicated propaganda network pushing out a weak and/or corrupt and/or perverse and/or vulnerable inequitable line unable to be defended whenever attacked with valid questions which would have to be left unanswered/steered around and obviously avoided ...... although they get their very best breaking news to support or attack with editorial opinion from customer comments gleaned from those publications and news channel presentations that do so present and register that illuminating live interaction .... and that has them in something of an enigmatic quandary whenever faced and in competition with superior opposition enable to make and take full and fair unfair advantage of that particular and peculiar need and foible to deep see phish leading and seeding foreign and alien interaction.

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