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The co-founder and former CEO of marketing tech startup Iterable is suing the company and some of its backers, claiming that losing his job was less about micro-dosing LSD at work and more about racial discrimination. Twitter alum Justin Zhu founded the company with former Google Adsense veteran Andrew Boni in 2013, building a …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    So, um, let me just clear one thing out

    Taking drugs when you're the CEO of a California startup is supposed to be fine, but if you find any of your employees doing that, they're getting the boot.

    Is that how it works ?

    Because I don't think that's how it should work.

    1. Little Mouse

      Re: So, um, let me just clear one thing out

      Even CEO's should exercise a little discretion in these matters. Turning up to a meeting with an investor or client when under the influence is never a clever move, whichever way you spin it.

      Also, a quick Google reveals that Zhu was actually replaced by Andrew Boni as CEO.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: So, um, let me just clear one thing out

        When I started working I was present at hundreds of business meetings with CEO's and others that were "under the influence" ... everyone was having a steak dinner and a bottle of wine each... the LSD factor only appeared when the CEO got the bill paid (pounds, shillings, and pence) in those days. Yes, we were all using LSD so I'd better post this anonymously.

    2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: So, um, let me just clear one thing out

      It's not "taking drugs", but microdosing.

      Just like "tax efficiency" is not "tax evasion".

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  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    As an employer...

    ,,,I only hade one criterion. Was the employee getting the job done? I tolerated nose rings, tongue rings, blue hair and I didn't care how stoned they were or where they came from, if they produced the goods.

    What I fired my only-ever fired employee for, was not producing any output whatsoever.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: As an employer...

      Only problem I see is when employee takes something sold to them as something else and then they accidentally overdose or get poisoned.

    2. Little Mouse

      Re: As an employer...

      "I didn't care how stoned they were"

      That'd depend on what they did whilst they were stoned, surely?

      A coder who keeps his head down, only to re-appear a few hours later with a keyboard-imprint-of-shame on his face might be something you could turn a blind-eye to. A CEO actively putting off investors to the detriment of the company is quite another.

    3. hoofie

      Re: As an employer...

      Employers in civilised parts of the world have a duty of care towards their employees.

      Having them rock up high or stoned doesn't really help in that matter especially if they then hurt themselves or others.

    4. Falmari Silver badge

      Re: As an employer...

      @AC ",,,I only hade one criterion. Was the employee getting the job done? I tolerated nose rings, tongue rings, blue hair and I didn't care how stoned they were or where they came from, if they produced the goods."

      Only one criterion getting the job done, an employee's behavior at work does not matter. So an employee can be as abusive to you as they like bully their co workers, racist sexist etc, even be drunk as long as they get the job done?

      I agree that employee appearance should not matter* neither should their lifestyle out of work. But an employee's behavior in work does matter. So taking drugs including alcohol outside work fine, as long as the affect does not carry over into work.

      If an employee is visibly under the influence of drugs or alcohol then the affect has carried over into work and some sort of disciplinary action should be expected. Which is what happened with Zhu he was at work and visibly under the influence of LSD.

      *It might for health and safety reasons e.g. tying long hair up, removing jewelry if working in food prep.

  4. stiine Silver badge

    really?

    How many microdoses per day was he taking? One per hour?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A CEO that DIDN'T arrange massive exit bunus!

    What was he on ?

    Oh yes that would do it.

  6. Daedalus

    A Turk and an Indian guy walk into a meeting....

    Well, I guess that's our revelation for the week. Apparently even those who are not from northern Europe, are convinced that the acceptable face of venture capitalism is the proverbial white male.

    Come to think of it, the company I bailed on last year was just a Harvard and Yale gloss on an Indian boiler room operation.

    You can't judge a company by its website.

  7. <i>xyz

    Outrageous!

  8. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    How can you tell? All CEOs and such seem to be on something...

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