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The European Parliament has experienced a cyber attack that started not long after it declared Russia to be a state sponsor of terrorism. The Parliament on Wednesday passed a resolution that details Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine, weighs international definitions of terrorism, and – over nine pages and 4250 words – …

  1. Bubba Von Braun

    Poke the Bear and get a reaction

    Seems Vlad the Impotent has resorted to DDOS attacks after being called out by EU parliament.

    I would have thought a rousing speech full of threats and condemnation and thumping of a lectern, followed by storming off stage right would have been just as effective.

    Makes one wonder if Tanks are not the only thing they are running out of..

    BvB

    1. Roj Blake

      Re: Poke the Bear and get a reaction

      It's not like the old days. Those old school Soviets like Khruschev really knew how to pontificate at the West.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKdo1xwVK7s

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Poke the Bear and get a reaction

        I bet that's the shoe banging video. And no, I'm still not going to check in case I lose the bet :-)

    2. Killfalcon

      Re: Poke the Bear and get a reaction

      Somewhere in the Kremlin:

      "I'm sorry, Comrade Putin, but our strategic lectern reserve has run dry."

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      EU dragged to its senses by the rest of the world

      Finally the EU has noticed Russia 'isnt very nice'. Well done. (To the rest of the world who have embarrassed the EU into this action).

      Back in 2018 (post Crimea and Salisbury) we had this:

      Congratulations on your re-election, President #Putin. I have always argued that positive relations between the #EU and #Russia are crucial to the #security of our continent. Our objective should be to re-establish a cooperative pan-European security order. pic.twitter.com/PiEGg56DBN

      — Jean-Claude Juncker (@JunckerEU) March 20, 2018

    4. Tail Up
      Happy

      Re: Poke the Bear and get a reaction

      What a nice headline, beside the below, but...

      ...so hard to recognise whether the w0rd you read was written by a merch of a antiddos hw of EU govt - or is it just some sofa warrior BearBoquist tryin' to grow a pair? не так ли, товарищ?

      "а нам

      по барабану" ("we no give a fcuk") by Zivert

      the video begins from the word "Family", if something, and thanks for understanding the message correctly (-;

      https://youtu.be/usy6l6sEr7g

      Zivert - Wake Up

      55 73

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Poke the Bear and get a reaction

        Yeah, that's us told.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Poke the Bear and get a reaction

          It's all Greek to me...

  2. Potemkine! Silver badge

    Brain as on option

    Those Kremlin supporters are soooo stupid. They just demonstrate that they are indeed thugs, trying to scare people to force them to do what those scumbags want. Yes, that's akin to terrorism.

    I hope our politicians won't never ever bind to Putin. One Munich conference was enough.

    == Bring us Dabbsy back! ==

  3. Bubba Von Braun
    Joke

    Oh we must have some Putin love children in the house

    Love the down votes! must be one of Vlad's many love children.. down vote away just another impotent display..

    == Bring us Dabbsy back! ==

    1. TimMaher Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Oh we must have some Putin love children in the house

      I think they are people who never liked Dabsy.

      1. Al fazed Bronze badge
        Flame

        Re: Oh we must have some Putin love children in the house

        I think the responses above illustrate quite clearly the inability of some folks to think out side of the box.

        Poking bears isn't very nice to start with, so if you get a bit bit, you are surely a very lucky idiot, pity you didn't stick your head through the bars mate..............

        ALF

        1. Tail Up

          Re: Oh we must have some Putin love children in the house

          UP

  4. ChoHag Bronze badge

    a sophisticated cyberattack

    Was it ping?

    1. Will Godfrey Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: a sophisticated cyberattack

      Well it smelled a bit, so maybe it was ping-pong

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: a sophisticated cyberattack

        Or maybe spray?

      2. Tail Up

        Re: a sophisticated cyberattack

        EIZENPHUNK - Pong

        https://youtu.be/cNAdtkSjSps

  5. Filippo Silver badge

    The words "impotent tantrum" come to mind. How sad.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      The words "impotent tantrum" come to mind. How sad.

      Yup, that's a fair way to describe the EU. Yey! Ursula Von Der Liar gets to look stern making a statement socking it to da man! Meanwhile, the EU (and UK) continues their steady collapse.

      1. Casca

        Poor little vatnik. Run home to putin.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Poor little vatnik.

          Remind me, what is 'vatnik' in Ukrainian, your official language? I know it's linguistically flexible, coming up with words like 'Orc' to describe subhumans, or 'Rashist' to pretend it's not racist..

          But I'm sure Putin is trembling in his boots. The shock and awe sanctions have collapsed Russia, they ran out of missiles months ago, and Ukraine is so confident it's urging it's people to flee to avoid freezing. Probably not towards our parts of Europe, because thanks to our leaders, we have a bit of an energy crisis as well.

          1. Sandtitz Silver badge
            FAIL

            "The shock and awe sanctions have collapsed Russia, they ran out of missiles months ago"

            Let's see. Couple weeks ago you vehemently claimed that Russia would never have any need for Iranian drones:

            "There's also the 'Iranian drone' meme. Russia can produce 5th gen fighters and space station parts, yet we're meant to believe it can't produce what's essentially a souped-up RC aircraft. Err.. right."

            Iran has stated officially that they have provided drones and other armament to Russia.

            Made you look stupid and uninformed in Russian warcrimes.

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Iran has stated officially that they have provided drones and other armament to Russia.

              And? Are you still convinced that Russia can produce Kh-47M2 Daggers, but can't figure out how to put wings and a warhead on a lawnmower engine?

              Made you look stupid and uninformed in Russian warcrimes.

              I guess most of the people with the angry thumbs support warcrimes. Ukraine does, after all it showed them executing PoWs and praising their 'heroes'. Free clue. Prisoners surrendering and laying face down are PoWs. Prisoners then developing bullet holes, in the same position still makes them PoWs, just dead ones. It's somewhat depressing that 'we' attempt to defend those executions. But then we also defend Ukraine shelling an NPP, or Ukraine killing Polish civilians. Vlod the Inhaler still doesn't seem to have accepted that was a Ukrainian missile, but not apologising for dead Poles is traditional for Ukraine. It did execute a lot of them during WW2 after all.

              1. EvilDrSmith

                The video showing apparent killings of Russian prisoners shows nothing definitive, though the most reliable description of it seems to be that the shooting commences with an individual in Russian army uniform.

                The Russians claim that the Ukrainians killed them (+ war crime). Not proven.

                The Ukrainians claim perfidy = that it was a trap to lure the Ukrainians forward to the ambush them (and thus a war crime); Not proven

                There are other possibilities:

                A Russian soldier chose not to surrender, and instead killed the 'traitors' that did. Not proven

                A Russian soldier chose not to surrender and opened fire on the Ukrainians, who, in returning fire, whether accidentally or deliberately (assuming a trap) shot the soldiers that had surrendered (NOT a war crime); Not proven.

                The video provides a basis for a formal complaint and investigation into whether a war crime has been committed. Unless and until guilt is proven, the individuals are innocent.

                This is one claimed incident occurring locally, involving a small number of individuals in an active combat situation.

                There have been a couple of other allegations of Ukrainian war crimes, again involving a small number of individuals acting in the immediate aftermath of combat.

                There is no evidence of, and no allegations of, systematic large scale war crimes carried out on the orders of the Ukrainian state.

                Russian troops have engaged in wholesale theft or destruction of private property, kidnapping, torture, rape and murder of civilians within areas they control. The Russian state has within the areas it controls sought to destroy Ukrainian cultural works, including Ukrainian language textbooks. The Russian state has begun large scale kidnap and forced adoption of Ukrainian children.

                The Russians are engaged in a systematic targeted offensive to destroy key civilian infrastructure, endangering the health / life of the general Ukrainian people.

                Senior representatives of the Russian state, including Putin himself, have made statements to the effect that Ukraine is not a nation and the Ukrainians not a people in their own right.

                War is vile, and bad things happen in it. Have some Ukrainians overstepped the mark? Undoubtedly.

                Does this compare to the actions of the Russians? Not remotely.

                The Russian state is not just executing a war of aggression against Ukraine, within which war crimes are the standard operating procedure of the Russian military, they are engaged in a war of genocide.

                It may just be that the angry thumbs don't support war crimes, they just have a reasonable sense of perspective.

                1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                  A Russian soldier chose not to surrender and opened fire on the Ukrainians, who, in returning fire, whether accidentally or deliberately (assuming a trap) shot the soldiers that had surrendered (NOT a war crime); Not proven.

                  But the spin misses a few points. The surrendered soldiers don't appear to have moved, and were still in their surrendered position. Unless those soldiers had moved to attack, they were still PoWs, and the Ukrainians were obligated to protect them. From the video, they don't appear to have moved, and do appear to have been executed. Sure, people are blaming the MiB for not surrendering, but as an armed combatant, they made their choice, and Ukraine would have been justified in killing them. Not the prisoners. Then Ukraine released the video showing their 'heroism'.

                  There is no evidence of, and no allegations of, systematic large scale war crimes carried out on the orders of the Ukrainian state.

                  Well, there was that Amnesty report. Ukraine was not at all happy about that, and went into it's usual denial. It's one of those unfortunate things that happen during war, especially when your forces are volunteers, or poorly trained. And if you constantly dehumanise your opponents as 'Orcs', etc. There's also a problem that very few of these incidents will be properly investigated, ie by neutral parties because the conflict is ongoing, and evidence (from either side) will be contaminated or destroyed. See also the way Ukraine 'investigated' the deaths of seperatists burned inside the Union building in Odessa.

                  The Russians are engaged in a systematic targeted offensive to destroy key civilian infrastructure, endangering the health / life of the general Ukrainian people.

                  That isn't actually a war crime. We did it in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya etc etc.

                  The Russian state is not just executing a war of aggression against Ukraine, within which war crimes are the standard operating procedure of the Russian military, they are engaged in a war of genocide.

                  Nope. If anything is genocidal, you can easily argue it's Ukraine's attempts to 'de-Russify' Ukraine. Putin's objectives were clearly stated at the outset. De-militarisation and de-nazification. There's also the issue of why this conflict started, namely post-2014 Ukraine's shelling, air and missile strikes on it's seperatist Ukrainian population. As a result of Ukraine not abiding by Minsk, it's lost more territory and may yet cease to exist as an independent nation, if so, it'll be obligated to protect any remaining population.

                  It may just be that the angry thumbs don't support war crimes, they just have a reasonable sense of perspective.

                  Or by being fed a constant stream of propaganda, they have lost that sense of perspective and unwittingly end up supporting war crimes. But that's why I play devil's advocaat.. I don't entirely agree with Russia's actions, but I understand why they've taken them. There's also the global picture because Russia is doing nothing different to what we've done (and are still doing in places like Ethopia) by promoting and inciting regime change, or just bombing countries back to the stone age. If stuff that's happening is really illegal, then we should be playing by the same rules. Again, see Yugoslavia for more details because we broke apart that country, and it may yet slip back into war.

              2. Sandtitz Silver badge

                Are you still convinced that Russia can produce Kh-47M2 Daggers, but can't figure out how to put wings and a warhead on a lawnmower engine?

                Well, all evidence points at that. What other reason there is to buy these lawn mowers from Iran?

                "Ukraine killing Polish civilians"

                War crimes are intentional. All evidence in this case points to an accident - even Poland is saying this.

                Just yesterday Russia destroyed a maternity hospital and a new-born was killed. Do you not consider it a heinous war crime?

                1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                  Well, all evidence points at that. What other reason there is to buy these lawn mowers from Iran?

                  They're cheap, they're effective, and they're in stock. So why not? Russia can and does produce it's own drones. Terrorist groups in Israel, Syria etc have been producing their own drones. It isn't difficult. What is difficult is diplomacy. Two massively sanctioned nations trading with each other. Who could ever have imagined that happening? Plus of course Iran knows it's next on the kill list.

                  War crimes are intentional. All evidence in this case points to an accident - even Poland is saying this.

                  But AFAIK Ukraine still isn't, and hasn't apologised. There's also not much in the way of evidence, and still a lot of questions. Like why the missile(s) were launched, why they didn't self-destruct, and what they were shooting at. There are some claims that the Russian missile strikes had ended around 2hrs earlier. But evidence is for losers. Vlod the Inhaler immediately blamed Russia and demanded a NATO response to an attack on one of it's members. So basically demanding WW3 again, after previously demanding pre-emptive attacks on Russia. Ukraine could produce evidence by showing data from their S-300 fire control that shows any Russian missile/drone they were attempting to engage.

                  (One interesting aspect to this incident is Germany offering Poland extra air defences to protect it against future Ukrainian missile attacks.)

                  Just yesterday Russia destroyed a maternity hospital and a new-born was killed. Do you not consider it a heinous war crime?

                  No more heinous than the way Iraqi soldiers stamped on babies and stole incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital during the first Gulf War. That story was crude propaganda of course. This one could be the same. Something appears to have struck a hospital, and may have killed the only maternity patient in the building. What that something was is still unknown. Ukraine is firing a lot of air defence missiles over it's cities, and those missiles have to obey gravity and come back to Earth. So as with the Polish incident, some of these 'civilian attacks' could just be unfortunate consequences of extensive air defence battles.

                  There's no conclusive evidence, yet you've decided it's a 'heinous war crime', because that's what you're lead to believe. Me, I'd rather see the evidence.

                  1. Sandtitz Silver badge

                    "They're cheap, they're effective, and they're in stock. So why not?"

                    Even your last post spoke of these Iranian drones in Russia as unimaginable and now you're like this is business as usual.

                    What a weathervane you are.

                    "But AFAIK Ukraine still isn't, and hasn't apologised. There's also not much in the way of evidence, and still a lot of questions. Like why the missile(s) were launched, why they didn't self-destruct, and what they were shooting at."

                    If not apologising is the worst case war crime Ukraine has done, I pity your lack of perspective. Russia is destroying civilian infrastructure daily but because those old Soviet era missiles landed for some reason in Poland, the Ukrainians civilians are fair game?

                    Anyway, you are grasping at straws there with the ludicrous innuendo you keep spouting there. Those missiles didn't have the range from Russian soil, so it couldn't have ended in NATO involvement in any case. Unlike Russians, the Ukrainian military has shown keen acumen in warfare tactics and strategy so would know that drawing NATO into this war with these two missiles is not on option.

                    "Me, I'd rather see the evidence."

                    You seem to take all Russian evidence at face value and systematically disputing all else. That's an untenable position unless you lack all critical thinking and ethics; or there is a personal bias or some compensation involved. And still the lack of morals. Are you getting your ideas only from Russian TV?

                    Numerous hospitals, schools and residential building have been flattened by Russian missiles, yet you make it sound like the war is about Ukrainians killing themselves. Friendly fire happens in all warfare, but certainly not in these numbers.

                    1. Anonymous Coward
                      Anonymous Coward

                      Lovely rebuttals Sandtitz, and the russian troll is just making himself look more and more stupid with every comment, but... do remember the old aphorism that cautions against wrestling with a pig...

                    2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                      Even your last post spoke of these Iranian drones in Russia as unimaginable and now you're like this is business as usual.

                      No, at the time I was questioning the evidence. And it is BAU. The arms business is huge business, especially when conflicts like these erupt. We're busily emptying our inventories and selling or donating surplus stock to Ukraine. Russia's doing the same. Russia would have been familiar with Iranian drones from Syria. Russia could copy the drone designs, or licence those and produce them themselves. I'm not the one making a big issue out of arrms deals, 'we' in the West are. We also seem suprised and badly informed about Russian capabilities given our leaders expected this to be a short war because Russia had run out of missiles/tanks/artillery/small arms and now winter clothing.

                      Yet the conflict isn't showing much sign of stopping, and we're prolonging it by flooding Ukraine with weapons instead of calling for peace talks and an end to the slaughter. Oh, how humane we are.

                      If not apologising is the worst case war crime Ukraine has done, I pity your lack of perspective. Russia is destroying civilian infrastructure daily but because those old Soviet era missiles landed for some reason in Poland, the Ukrainians civilians are fair game?

                      My perspective is obviously somewhat different to yours. There was 'breaking news' of Russian missile attacks on Poland. Ukraine demanded NATO intervention. Poland initially talked of emergency Article 5, then Article 4 talks. The AP reported 'anonymous senior intelligence sources' confirming the Russian missile strike. Article 5 basically means WW3 and we all die.

                      Then we determined the missiles were Ukrainian. Zelensky assured us that his air defence commanders knew it was a Russian missile strike. The AP journalist was fired. The narrative changed to 'Russian missiles' (launched by Ukraine). Those 'old Soviet era missiles' are apparently so good that they're intercepting the majority of Russian missiles. 70 missiles launched, 60 intercepted, 30 power facilities hit. Ukrainian math just doesn't add up a lot of the time.

                      But reality is frequently distorted in propaganda, as you are doing. At no point have I said 'civilians are fair game'. Those are your words, not mine. Civilian casualties are inevitable in conflicts around densely populated areas though. Parties to the conflict are obligated to minimise civilian casualties though. But accidents happen, eg-

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

                      On 3 October 2015, a United States Air Force AC-130U gunship attacked the Kunduz Trauma Centre operated by Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF, or Doctors Without Borders) in the city of Kunduz, in the province of the same name in northern Afghanistan. 42 people were killed and over 30 were injured.

                      So then we have-

                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63727260

                      A newborn baby has been killed in a Russian missile strike on a maternity unit in Ukraine's southern Zaporizhzhia region, emergency services say...

                      ...The Zaporizhzhia region, where a key nuclear plant is located, has been the focus of repeated Russian attacks.

                      This could be cause and effect. The NPP has been the focus of repeated attacks. Possibly from artillery/rockets launched from the hospital area. This has been reported by Amnesty, and also happens in places like Gaza because forces know that facilities like hospitals are supposed to be protected. But by firing from those locations, they're also endagering civilians, hence this is generally a war crime. Ukraine argues that they're justified in shelling the NPP because there are Russians there. Russia's justified in attacking forces firing on the NPP because that's generally a bad idea.

                      Or the hospital strike could just be the result of a missile interception, with the fragments from missiles landing on the hospital. So it was unfortunate collateral damage, and the hospital (like many other civilian 'targets') was just collateral damage. It's a well-known risk, and as I've mentioned before it's an issue with Israel and their Iron Dome system. They try to intercept over sparsely populated areas to minimise damage from falling debris. Ukraine doesn't really have that luxury, and a lot of intercepts are occuring over populated areas. Just because an apartment building was hit, it is not evidence that it was a target. Whether it was a war crime or not is one of those things where international law probably hasn't caught up because it's a fairly rare occurence.

                      Those missiles didn't have the range from Russian soil, so it couldn't have ended in NATO involvement in any case.

                      So if you know that, and I know that, why did Zelensky spend so long denying it? The S-300's certainly didn't, but other Russian missiles could have the range. So Ukraine launched, missed, the Russian missile struck somewhere in Ukraine, the Ukrainian interceptors ended up in Poland instead of self-destructing. If Zelensky lied or was misinformed about this, then what else has he got wrong?

          2. Tail Up

            Cordially UP for this, Mepersonally cares not about Putin, as he is a big boy already, but за Родину обидно. A natural rush of horde of trolls speaking quite a poor English language, which fact doubles the offence (-:

            William Shakespeare must be rotating in his grave producing electricity! making vast arrays of flashes in the sky! lotsa them!

      2. Tail Up

        UP

        The Europesn-scale Troubles was... have been? в общем, были clearly seen starting the day before a Crysis' 2008 (no, kids, not a game, the things have gone much further since)

        Witnessed, Checked, Passed to Go

    2. Al fazed Bronze badge
      Flame

      More idiots

      I suppose counting the cost of mounting a defence against the DDoS or making a recovery afterwards are not being taken into to consideration with your ROI statements.

      No wonder Dabsy left................

      ALF

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The only effect this action will have is to give the EU parliament some sort of illusion of relevance, and making that bunch of wankers feel important. If all the MEPs failed to turn up for 5 years, it would have less impact than a Philosopher's Strike.

    1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Oh, I don't know. The savings on 5 year's wages and expenses for all 705 of them would be useful.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Come on. You can never know who did a cyber attack or where it came from. Remember Assume makes an Ass out of U and Me.

    Now I'm not saying it wasn't Russia. All of this points to that but we can never know for sure. I find it strange that when reporting these things we don't point that out and just default to it was x, y or z. This is a tech website and you should know that to be fair.

    1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Facepalm

      But when a group (plausibly) claims responsibility, you can assume that it originated from them.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Did they?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A DDOS attack? who cares!

    Ukraine is shelling the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, and there are Ukranian soldiers openly wearing nazi symbols.

    I know Russia started this, but I don't like where it's going...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A DDOS attack? who cares!

      Was this a plant the Russian terrorists stole from Ukraine?

      Nazi symbols - proof please - a proper news site not conspiracytheoristsareus nor a putin fan site.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: A DDOS attack? who cares!

        Not original poster however,

        https://mronline.org/2022/09/20/zelensky-quietly-deletes-photo-of-his-bodyguards-pro-hitler-patch/

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY

        I can't find it right now but there's a photo floating about with the previous president stood next to some Ukraine soldiers with Nazi insignia. I also certainly don't agree with what Russia is doing. Ukraine have a Nazi problem. That is without doubt.

        1. Ken G Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: A DDOS attack? who cares!

          Ukraine DO have a Nazi problem. It's coming over the border from Russia and it's symbol is a "Z".

          A political philosophy, movement, or regime, that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

          Step 1: Emphatic nationalism, controlled mass media, and unifying enemies and scapegoats

          Step 2: Rampant sexism, disdain for human rights, and suppression of intellectuals and the arts

          Step 3: Obsession with crime and punishment, national security, and the supremacy of the military

          Step 4: Power of corporations protected, and power of labor suppressed or eliminated

          Step 5: Rampant cronyism and corruption, religion and ruling elite tied together, and fraudulent elections

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: A DDOS attack? who cares!

            Step 1: Emphatic nationalism, controlled mass media, and unifying enemies and scapegoats

            Yup. Ban political parties. Shut down newspapers and television stations critical of your party or leadership. How very 2014. Also expanded, like the UK & EU deciding to ban RT and Sputnik.

            Step 2: Rampant sexism, disdain for human rights, and suppression of intellectuals and the arts

            Yep. Ban the Russian language, Ban TV, radio, books, music, and execute collaborators and PoWs.

            Step 3: Obsession with crime and punishment, national security, and the supremacy of the military

            Yep. See collaborators again. Or warcrimes, warcrimes and more warcrimes. Did Zelensky mention warcrimes in his speech last night? Also expanded, ie bombing energy infrastructure is a warcrime. Except when we did the same thing in Yugoslavia (remember that country?), Iraq, Libya etc etc.

            Step 4: Power of corporations protected, and power of labor suppressed or eliminated

            Yep, although we're waaaay ahead of Ukraine on that one. Union busting etc. Although they did do something novel recently, ie pseudo-nationalising some Ukrainian industries. Spun as a potential falling out between Zelensky and his chief (and Azovs) sponsor. In reality, a handy way to transfer paying payroll and overheads from oligarch's pockets to the State.. And by State, I mean pick one because Ukraine is essentially bankrupt and being bailed out by the West's taxpayers.

            Step 5: Rampant cronyism and corruption, religion and ruling elite tied together, and fraudulent elections

            Yup. Well, modern (ie post-2014) did start with a coup and cronyism forming it's new goverment. Friends & family were also made governors of lucrative provinces, even importing slightly used Georgian politicians. All part of the reason why Ukraine topped the world's corruption indices. But we're also told they're the shining example of European Values. Which is why we shouldn't be too worried about the lack of accountability for the billions being poured into 'Ukraine'. Trust us, we're from the government, it's all ending up where it should..

            Word of the day: Projection.

            (And I really hope we eventually find out just what dirt Ukraine holds on the West to justify our efforts to prop it up. Sure, attempting to create regime change and cripple Russia explains some of it, maybe.)

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: A DDOS attack? who cares!

            Did you just describe America and here in the UK? I'm seeing a lot of those boxes being checked. Are Russia to blame? I never knew.

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: A DDOS attack? who cares!

            From the Reuters article

            "Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines"

            Clearly you didn't read it. Then you go into some tirade about how it's Russia that are Nazi's. Ignoring the fact Ukraine has a Nazi problem is not going to solve the problem.

            I honestly do not care how many downvotes I get but let's have the truth here. It might be best to remember there was another point in history where people ignored the Nazi's and that didn't end well.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: A DDOS attack? who cares!

          Had a look, a bit meh!

          I would put putler as much more of a nazi

    2. LogicGate

      Re: A DDOS attack? who cares!

      You are aware that it only takes 2 Zs to make a swarstika?

      ...Which makes each Z-Touting russian one half-arsed Nazi.

      Symbolisms to the side..

      When it invades like a nazi, plunders like a nazi and rapes like a nazi...

      I am pretty sure I can recognize the nazi in this "3-day special operation"

    3. Casca

      Re: A DDOS attack? who cares!

      Another vatnik. Good job...

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I've been to Ukraine a quite few times, and I can honestly say I've never seen any reference, or behaviour akin, to Nazis. Sure they have their problems with corruption - which country doesn't - they are just a little more open about it.

    And it's just a bit far-fetched to say an entire country has a problem with it based on a fuzzy picture of a combat-troop's backpack. The skull and cross-bones has appeared on countless unit badges and patches over the years from many nations.

    Anyone remember Prince Harry in fancy dress? Does that make the UK a hotbed of Nazis?

    1. LogicGate

      Nope, those were the doings of Johnsson, Farage et al...

      Seriously, the UK is not a hotbed of Nazis. However, populism got a very strong foothold with the last two tory governments, and populism can make for quite a slippery slope..

    2. First Light Silver badge

      A chunk of the corruption in Ukraine was Russian-sponsored attempts to control its governance by buying politicians etc.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      To be fair the royal family is German from the time of the Nazi's and they are racist so yeah. Plus we have national front and Nigel Farage so yeah Nazi's.

      1. EvilDrSmith

        No, the Royal Family are Greman from around the year 1700.

        The National Front effectively disappeared years ago, (I had to check the internet to find out if it even still existed). Farage is right wing and pro-brexit, but not actually a nazi (Certainty, I've seen no indication from him that he wants to obtain living space in the east, nor hold torchlit rallies).

        So if you are going to try an unfounded slur on the UK, AC, you could at least do a modicum of research first.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Енот- наш!

  11. Winkypop Silver badge
    FAIL

    Putin-pot is losing it

    Be a real man and withdraw from Ukraine.

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