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Twitter CEO Elon Musk is considering more layoffs – including sales and commercial partnerships – as whoever remains following an exodus of software engineers enjoyed a "hardcore" weekend helping the tech industry veteran in a "code review" of the social media platform. Reports suggest roles in sales, partnerships, and similar …

  1. TaabuTheCat

    If it worked for Tesla... (oh wait)

    Looks like we're only days away from full self-driving Twitter. Guess we'll see how that works out.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      If Musk were a real man

      He'd run a poll on whether the US should strip him of his US Citizenship & deport him back to South Africa.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: If Musk were a real man

        Running that poll for him seems like a good way to test his alleged committment to "free" speech.

        I suspect it'll vanish the moment he's made aware of it, of course with some BS excuse.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If it worked for Tesla... (oh wait)

      Where the 'bots are in charge of the asylum

  2. Dave K

    Reorganisation

    "On Wednesday, Musk told a Delaware court his reorganization of Twitter was almost complete"

    You mean he's close to the point where there'll be no staff left apart from himself?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Reorganisation

      Best documentary on Musk, narrated by William Shatner.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6gy5P45hEN4

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: Reorganisation

        An excellent 8 and a half minutes.

  3. MJI Silver badge

    That statue is shite

    What else can be said

    1. Phil E Succour

      Re: That statue is shite

      It looks like a rejected design for William S. Burrough’s Steely Dan.

    2. sabroni Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: What else can be said

      That "goat" is shaped like a dachshund.

      I like it, I think it sums Space Karen up perfectly.

      1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: What else can be said

        shaped like a dachshund. I like it, I think it sums Space Karen up perfectly.

        Oi! Our dachshund wishes to express her extreme displeasure at being used in the same sentence as Musk, let alone in a comparator!

        Let's not forget - they were originally bred as hunting dogs (dach is German for badger) and the minitures were bred for going down rabbit burrows (hence the short legs, big feet and loose skin). They are terriers by nature and, the non-messed about ones, still retain that nature.

        Ours is a rescue and is *very* much what a dachshund should be - feisty, fearless and owns the ground she stands on. She's bigger than a miniture but smaller than a standard. Having had a personality-vacuum of a miniture long-haired dachsund[1] in the past, this one is definately a proper dog.

        [1] My wife was bought up with smooth-haired dachshunds.. her mother got the fluffy one a while after we got married, had her for a year or so then she (the MIL) died so we ended up inheriting the dog. She shared the house with 3 cats[2] and 3 other dogs (one GSD/Rottie cross[3], one Dobie/Rottie cross[4] and a staffie/JR cross[5]. The best description of that dachsund is 'meh' - I think all the inbreeding needed to fix the coat colour badly affected the nature and capabilities of the dog.

        [2] The youngest of which took great delight in hunting the dachshund.. he tried that with the new one (even though the cat is 15 now) and discovered that she wasn't a pushover like the last one. He leaves her alone now.

        [3] The most laid-back dog I've ever known. It took a *lot* of harassing from other dogs to get him would up.

        [4] The boss. She kept the GSD-cross in order and stopped other dogs harassing him.

        [5] Also inherited off the MIL. Lovely brindle - looked just like a miniture staffie. Much more staffie natured than JR.

    3. Triggerfish

      Re: That statue is shite

      Reminds me of some of the covers for this book TBH

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Emperor_of_Dune

      Frankly if it is supposed to be a goat the design is about as ill conceived as a Twiiter buyout.

      1. James O'Shea

        Re: That statue is shite

        Ah, yes. I read the first three Dune books. Dune was good; I read it as the serial in Analog, and liked it so much that I bought the book. (No, I didn't read it when first published; I got hold of the three issues of the the first part and the five issues of the second when I was in high school. And bought the book shortly thereafter). Dune Messiah had problems. (I should have got the five-part serial in Galaxy before I bought the book, I would never have bought the book.) (note that normal serials in Analog and Galaxy were three-parters; Dune had eight parts spread over 3 years, Dune Messiah had five parts. The fact that Dune was in Analog, the premier SF magazine of the time and still, while Dune Messiah was in Galaxy, which is dead and has been since about 1980, should have been a red flag.) Children of Dune was good, not as good as Dune, but better than Messiah. God-Emperor stunk. I never finished it. Nor have I even started any Dune books since then. Herbert wrote a total of six Dune books, and his son cranked out more based on plotlines left when Herbert the elder died. I have no more desire to read them than I want to read the hordes of 'Tom Clancy' books emitted by various persons since Tom Clancy died. (Frankly, Clancy had been in steep decline since Sum of All Fears and I didn't buy any of his newer stuff in hardback.)

        1. Triggerfish

          Re: That statue is shite

          I was reasonably young when I read Dune, struggled an abandoned the second book and never continued. One day maybe I'll start it all again. Thought the film was worth the IMAX visit though.

          1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

            Re: That statue is shite

            The new film, or the Sting variant?

            1. Triggerfish

              Re: That statue is shite

              Good point, I liked them both actually.

              The Lynch one for its glorious weirdness and baroque set design.

              The recent one because it felt truer to the book and just spectacular visuals the bit flying over the city was alsmot vertigo inducing in imax.

              Plus Denis Villeneuve is in my good books for not fucking up the Bladerunner sequel.

        2. LybsterRoy Silver badge

          Re: That statue is shite

          Try Chapter House - in my view the best of the Dune books. As for his son - I'm never sure whether to blame him or Kevin J Anderson for the drivel (in my opinion) that constitutes the post Frank Herbet Dune books.

  4. chivo243 Silver badge
    FAIL

    the end game emerges...

    Buy twitter, decimate the workforce, see a mass exodus of users and employees, lift some bans, decimate the workforce further, and hey look! We're in the run up to the 2024 US Elections! Twitter runs, but barely, as most staff have quit or been shown the door. Now anyone can attack or abuse or even take over Twitter. It will be a dumpster fire...

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: the end game emerges...

      It's wrong to think that this is about anything other than money. If Musk can bankrupt Twitter, he can walk away from the debts incurred to buy it. The rest is about just about keeping himself in the headlines.

      1. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

        Re: the end game emerges...

        Is that the way it works? I can understand a company's debts effectively disappearing when it goes bankrupt, but I would have thought that the $x billions of debt raised to buy Twitter would be Musk's personal debt, not Twitter's.

        ...or maybe it doesn't work like that over in the States?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: the end game emerges...

          I'm not all that up on finance, but someone who is had an aha moment a few weeks ago when we talked about Twitter. Apparently by doing this he managed to extract capital out of Tesla and Space X that he would otherwise never had access to, and it appears there are many tricks to avoid getting a personal hit from a bankruptcy.

          With his money I suspect his accountants and lawyers know pretty much all of them, and if not he can always ask Trump for advice who has spent his entire life successfully skating past rules and regulations (and who's rather familiar with bankruptcies), which may explain why they're mates.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: which may explain why they're mates.

            Elon let Trump back on Twitter without realising Trump is obliged to post everything on Truth Social first.

            Obviously very close mates.....

            1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

              Re: which may explain why they're mates.

              Musk doesn't care whether Trump does or doesn't. It got headlines and that's what matters.

          2. flayman Bronze badge

            Re: the end game emerges...

            If this is true, then he really is a genius. Evil, but genius. So he's destroying Twitter as punishment while also covering his arse.

          3. Charlie Clark Silver badge
            Thumb Up

            Re: the end game emerges...

            Have an extra thumbs up for more information on the kind of scam deal that gets done with full approval of the regulators.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: the end game emerges...

              Thanks, but I must stress it was an assumption. I personally don't know enough of these financial shenanigans to assess if that's the game, I'm a mere mortal who has no chance of escaping the clutches of Mr Taxman.

              Us mere peons don't get to play such games with other people's money..

        2. MrDamage Silver badge

          Re: the end game emerges...

          Write it off as an extraordinary loss, and free himself of his "tax burden" (that he never pays anyway) for the rest of his life.

        3. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          Re: the end game emerges...

          It is perfectly legal, and unfortunately common practice, to do just this. A good example was the "purchase" of Manchester United by the Glazer family who subsequently transferred the debts used for the purchase to the club. Basically, the company "signs" an agreement to take on the debt. Musk won't have done this without his backers knowing, because that might make future financing more difficult. Apparently, they've already sold the debt on, at a discount, and the loss gets offset against tax.

          Cocktails all round, except for the poor sods getting their pink slips…

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The rest is about just about keeping himself in the headlines.

        You mean just like his boss - Donald J Trump

        I guess that musk wants to be Trump Mk2 for all the good that will do him. He can't run for POTUS and anyway, Ron Desantimonious is lined up to get that job so what?

        anything that will allow him to buy whole countries. Where else does the richest man in the world go?

        Don't say Mars unless he goes with Trump on a one-way ticket.

      3. CrackedNoggin Bronze badge

        Re: the end game emerges...

        I don't think so. According to Barron's - "At the most basic level for Musk, a Twitter bankruptcy would mean he loses some $25 billion—roughly the amount of equity capital he put into the purchase. That amounts to about 10% of his pre-Twitter purchase wealth." If Musk goes personally bankrupt, that's a different story. Surely Musk would let Twitter go bankrupt before sinking all of his own personal fortune into it.

        The interesting question is, if Twitter declares bankruptcy because it cannot meet it's debt payments, then what happens. Musk might be hoping that he can maintain control of Twitter through the bankruptcy, and come out with lesser yearly interest payments - which currently run about 1 billion a year.

        Oh yeah, the 3 months severance that Musk "promised" employees who didn't sign the hardcore declaration?

        The bankruptcy laws line up (“prioritize”) creditors in the order in which they will be paid off. Creditors who are owed wages, salaries, or commissions are given a high priority for repayment. Each individual employee of a bankrupt business is given a priority of up to $11,725 (as of 2010, and adjusted every three years thereafter) of the wages they earned up to 180 days before the company filed for bankruptcy. However, “secured creditors” are first in line, and therefore ahead of employees, for repayment. (Secured creditors are banks or other commercial lenders who are entitled to repossess or seize property if payments are missed.) Because secured creditors are generally owed the most money (usually for property and equipment loans), there often is not much money left over to give to the creditors, such as employees, who are in line after them. Sometimes, creditors in line behind secured creditors may only receive a penny for every dollar they are actually owed.

        I wouldn't be surprised if the joy of reneging on that promise will be a motivating factor.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: the end game emerges...

          Yes, Musk doesn't strike me as someone overly concerned with social norms and ethics, which is another indicator that his waffle about "freedom of speech" is absolute BS.

        2. flayman Bronze badge

          Re: the end game emerges...

          "I wouldn't be surprised if the joy of reneging on that promise will be a motivating factor." This too. Pure evil.

    2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Re: the end game emerges...

      Great Lord Musk is using the 'Truth Social' system as a model for the new Twitter.

      - No expensive premises to run

      - HQ is a PO Box Number

      - Zero staff or the appearance of that.

      Then

      - banning anyone who dares criticise the dear leader (Trump for Truth Social, Muck for Twitter)

      1. renniks

        Re: the end game emerges...

        Funny, I replied to a tweet to describe Musk using one word, and I used the word C U Next Tuesday, and didn't get banned...

        1. TimMaher Silver badge
          Pint

          Re: Tuesday

          Maybe their AI was looking for Thursday?

        2. sabroni Silver badge

          Re: I used the word C U Next Tuesday,

          You can say cunt, we're all supposed to be grown ups here.

          But he's fired all the moderators, so don't expect to be moderated on there any more.

        3. Alumoi Silver badge

          Re: the end game emerges...

          See you next Tuesday? Why sould they ban you?

      2. veti Silver badge

        Re: the end game emerges...

        Do you have actual reports of people being banned from Twitter just for criticising Musk? (As opposed to, e.g., impersonating him.)

        I saw a story a few days ago about an astronomer who tweeted a picture of a meteor trail, and was suspended for posting "intimate content without the subject's consent". This happened three months ago, i.e. pre-Musk, and her account was reactivated last week, i.e. post-Musk. It gave me a slightly more cynical take on the stories of carnage among Twitter's moderation team.

        Don't get me wrong, I think Musk is an idiot who got into one of those online dick-sizing contests, then was horrified to discover that his idle boasts might be legally binding. But I also think Twitter was far from well before he came along, and he might do worse than simply tearing it down and rebuilding on the ruins.

        1. sabroni Silver badge

          Re: But I also think Twitter was far from well before he came along

          Then you don't know much about Twitter and free speech, but apparently you are a fan of shadow banning: Twitter’s Former Head Of Trust & Safety Explains Why, For All His Billions, Elon Musk Can’t Magically Decide How Twitter Will Work

          Nice tidbit at the end, one of Musk's first moves was to encourage the moderation team to censor more stuff! But Musk is pro-free speech so how is that even possible?????

          1. veti Silver badge

            Re: But I also think Twitter was far from well before he came along

            Where did I say I was a "fan" of anything? All my anecdote says is that moderation (and appeals) were broken even before Musk got involved. There's no way it should take three months to resolve an appeal against an image being wildly misclassified by an automated filter.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: the end game emerges...

      ... Hate to break it to you, but it's already a dumpster fire.

      I'm only there to watch it burn and eat popcorn...

      1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: the end game emerges...

        I'm only there to watch it burn and eat popcorn...

        Hope you are not popping it over that fire - who knows what toxic stuff is in the smoke?

  5. Christopher Reeve's Horse

    Requirements

    Even if the vote was fully legitimate, there's still the very strong likelihood that 50% is not an adequate enough result to justify the action. Yes, there was a small majority in favour, but surely the barrier should be higher, especially considering the quite appallingly obvious pretensions.

    It reminds me of another, similar, close to 50/50 vote that had disastrous consequences and left strongly divided opinions in the UK's recent history.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Requirements

      Especially when you consider what the constitution says about publicity stunt votes inside a privately held corporation.

      I believe it was settled in the case of "8 out of 10 cats vs the supreme court"

    2. nintendoeats Silver badge

      Re: Requirements

      Another way to look at this is that only 51.8% of those polled think that the former president should be allowed to talk.

      1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

        Re: Requirements

        Another way to look at this is that only 51.8% of those polled think that the former president should be allowed to talk.

        Do you honestly think nobody has heard a single word from Trump since he was booted off Twitter?

        ObXkcd.

        1. nintendoeats Silver badge

          Re: Requirements

          Yes, clearly that is what I meant.

        2. Steve Button Silver badge

          Re: Requirements

          That's xkcd is a bit of a paper tiger. People like Kathleen Stock OBE have essentially been "cancelled" for saying things that upset a very small number of very loud people. It's happening all over the place.

          It's not a case of "nobody hearing a single word", it's more a case that he's not allowed to speak in many of the modern day public squares of the internet, Twitter being a quite important one. Therefore quite a lot of people are not hearing some of the words he has to say.

          This is not to say I'm a fan of trump, as I think a large proportion of what he says is total rubbish. However I will defend his right to say that total rubbish.

          And to all those people who were saying "It's a private platform, they can do what they like"... well, what's changed? They can do what they like, as long as it's what YOU like? Now you don't like it, they shouldn't be able to do what they like?

          However, if he's only allowed to say those things on Truth Social, then he's really only going to be speaking to his own people. Preaching to the choir. And that choir is going to get very angry because they believe their man is being suppressed. Better to let him say what he wants to say, and let others openly debate that. And if he spreads misinformation, then by all means highlight that.

          OTOH, I think it's a bit much to allow people like Kanye (or Ye) on there after the things he's said, which are actual calls for violence.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Requirements

            Freedom of speech <> freedom of consequences for what you say.

            In the context, being anonymous should not mean being unaccountable - that's IMHO where the whole thing presently comes off the rails.

          2. LybsterRoy Silver badge

            Re: Requirements

            Brilliant. I would only add that I like to hear/read the different points of view BEFORE I make up my mind.

          3. the Jim bloke

            Re: Requirements

            This is not to say I'm a fan of trump, as I think a large proportion of what he says is total rubbish

            People talking total rubbish is not a problem

            Deliberate malicious misrepresentation of reality (as 'facts' and 'truth' have become politicised) in order to advance his own agenda, with no regard to the consequence to others - is a problem.

          4. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: Requirements

            "it's more a case that he's not allowed to speak in many of the modern day public squares of the internet,"

            But Twitter isn't a public square. It's the "public square" inside a privately owned shopping centre/center/mall which is operated under the rules of the owners and management. No skateboarding, no photos, no handing out leaflets etc., etc., etc., without approval by the management.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Requirements

              It just happened that the private company bought the public square and built the shopping mall on top of it.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Requirements

        You have a right to speak, you don't have a right to be listened to.

        1. Jonathon Green

          Re: Requirements

          …and nor do you have the right to use someone else’s megaphone if they’d prefer you not to.

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Requirements

            What about if that megaphone is essentially the only way of hearing somebody?

            Suppose twitter dropped all democrat candidates a month before the election? Suppose Google decided not to return any search results for Republicans or had Chrome block all Republican candidates sites?

            Suppose the credit card companies and banks decided they would only process donations for their preferred candidate

            At some point these monopolies have to be regulated in a different way from a bakery not making a gay wedding cake.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Requirements

              It's a fair point (though it hardly applies to Twitter), but those sorts of restrictions already do apply. The UK doesn't allow polling the day before the election and only allows campaigning in the month before an election (officially anyway).

            2. doublelayer Silver badge

              Re: Requirements

              The latter two are monopolies. Twitter is not. It has more rights to do arbitrary things, both positive and negative, than the others would. Financial institutions are prohibited by law from doing that. Google has an obvious monopoly position in search and a significantly dominant market position in browsers, and it knows it would face extreme lawsuits if it did so, which unless they managed to tame the governments making them would likely result in their company being broken apart with a sledgehammer. Twitter does not have a monopoly in social media (the Facebook properties are larger even though they are separate products, for example).

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Requirements

                "Financial institutions are prohibited by law from doing that"

                Yet that have done exactly that over the last few years. Mastercard and JP Morgan Chace to name two.

            3. HereIAmJH

              Re: Requirements

              What about if that megaphone is essentially the only way of hearing somebody?

              So anybody in a stadium should have access to the announcer's mic so that they can give their opinion? "Bad call Ref, are you blind, or just stupid!"

              Suppose twitter dropped all democrat candidates a month before the election? Suppose Google decided not to return any search results for Republicans or had Chrome block all Republican candidates sites?

              Suppose the credit card companies and banks decided they would only process donations for their preferred candidate

              Suppose they did and all their customers went somewhere else? Twitter didn't dump Trump because they were offended by what he said. Proud Boys, stand back and stand by didn't get him booted. He got booted because Twitter was worried they'd lose advertisers if they didn't. Note how fast big customers are suspending their Twitter ad campaigns right now.

              At some point these monopolies have to be regulated in a different way from a bakery not making a gay wedding cake.

              None of the entities that you have mentioned are monopolies.

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      4. David Hicklin Bronze badge

        Re: Requirements

        > only 51.8% of those polled think that the former president should be allowed to talk

        But what percentage of the total number of twitter users actually polled ?

        1. Alumoi Silver badge

          Re: Requirements

          At least 3, the rest is statistics.

    3. juice

      Re: Requirements

      > Yes, there was a small majority in favour, but surely the barrier should be higher, especially considering the quite appallingly obvious pretensions

      Anecdotally, pretty much everyone I know with any form of left-wing leanings has left Twitter. So I suspect that the platform as a whole has taken a lurch to the right, even before you consider the possibility that the recent chaos and gutting of Twitter's content monitoring teams has probably caused lots of trolls and the like to flock to the platform.

      All in all, I'm somewhat surprised the vote was that close!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Requirements

        I'm not. I think it was only close because it would look rigged otherwise (that's also the secret to rigging elections - only possible if the results are fairly close) - who says there was actually a count? I think it was just made to look like a Twitter "vote" because Musk could thus absolve responsibility, the decision itself was made before Musk even completed the buy of Twitter.

        1. the Jim bloke

          Re: Requirements

          .. whenever I am fabricating a numeric result, I stick a couple of random insignificant decimals on the end to make it look more realistic...

          This doesnt work when people ask how many children I have..

      2. codejunky Silver badge

        Re: Requirements

        @juice

        "Anecdotally, pretty much everyone I know with any form of left-wing leanings has left Twitter. So I suspect that the platform as a whole has taken a lurch to the right"

        It kind of depends what could be considered centre. Jumping right from Mao and Stalin could still leave you in socialist/communist territory.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: Requirements

          and to be fair,thinking of pointers on a clock face, "left leaning" in the US is more sort / while right leaning is more sort of _

    4. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Requirements

      Good job this voting and unbanning was decided by recommendations from Twitter's moderation council and advisory groups just the way that Musk announced a month ago.

      And then when Trump said he was bigly fine where he was he unbanned Kanye West and Andrew Tate, again in line with Twitter's non-existent moderation council and advisory groups' recommendations.

      And let's not talking about breaking down Twitter and rebuilding it in his image. It's almost as if Musk is a chronic narcissist who needs everyone's appreciation or something.

    5. bigtimehustler

      Re: Requirements

      Why should the majority not get what they want because the majority was not big enough? Thst basically means the minority gets what they want far more often. Doesn't really sound right to me.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Requirements

        You just described (knowingly or not) significant parts of US politics.

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Requirements

        I think it really depends on what the vote is about and how many of the electorate vote and whether those voting are actually thinking about or just voting with their party/friends/peers.

        An actual free and fair vote is incredibly rare for those reasons alone, never mind all the other reasons why people are swayed one way or the other without actually thinking through themselves. Democracy is the simply the least worst option. I think it was Heilein on one of his political rants that made a good point. If you have the right to vote, always go and vote, even if you support none of the candidates or their positions. At the very least, there's someone you want to vote against. A good argument for compulsory voting IMHO

    6. veti Silver badge

      Re: Requirements

      If you're going to make the deciding line somewhere other than 50%, that's the kind of rule you need to announce up front before the vote, not just pull it out of your arse after the event because things didn't go the way you expected.

      (Same thing applies to the Brexit referendum, by the way. How do you think the majority of voters would have felt if they were told, after the event, "sorry, 51% isn't enough"?)

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        1. Cav Bronze badge

          Re: Requirements

          ' I was not allowed to vote remain because I had lived outside the UK for too long despite the result directly affecting me."

          And nor should you. The absence limit for the UK is 15 years. If you haven't lived in the UK for more than 15 years then you shouldn't have a vote. You left.

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          2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: Requirements

            "And nor should you. The absence limit for the UK is 15 years. If you haven't lived in the UK for more than 15 years then you shouldn't have a vote. You left."

            On the other hand, that was part of the point of being in the EU. Being able to live and work in other parts of the EU without having all the palaver of emigrating and possibly changing citizenship. Brits living in the EU were and are still British Citizens.

    7. LybsterRoy Silver badge

      Re: Requirements

      Sorry, unless you specify so beforehand, a vote of > 50% carries the day. Both for this and the other one you can't forget.

  6. heyrick Silver badge

    Of course Trump won

    Many of the decent rational people that might have voted no are on Mastodon by now. It's just the crazies who see it as a free speech (*) free for all lingering around the place now.

    * just don't criticise the manbaby

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: Of course Trump won

      It's just the crazies who see it as a free speech free for all lingering around the place now.

      Nope. It's a lot of minorities who've been made unwelcome and/or feel unprotected from harassment on places like Mastodon. It's people from the global south who know Twitter has a far greater reach and visibility than other social media. It's people who favour the serendipity of Twitter(*). It's people like me watching the car crash through their fingers for shits and giggles but also with a professional interest in how it's actually going to fail. Oh, and "free speech"(**) nuts and anti-vaxxers and conspiracy loons, but they were always there, long before Melon Usk took over.

      (*) I've seen comments like "On Mastodon you find people you know. On Twitter you find people you didn't know you needed to know."

      (**) Quoted because it's religious dogma, not reasoned philosophy, for them.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Of course Trump won

        " It's a lot of minorities who've been made unwelcome and/or feel unprotected from harassment on places like Mastodon."

        That's a pretty clear indication that you've never used Mastodon. The place is pretty aggressively accommodating. Maybe you've been hearing about other platforms that are based on Mastodon (it's open source), but Mastodon's most populated servers have pretty clear guidelines and moderation.

        1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

          Re: Of course Trump won

          That's a pretty clear indication that you've never used Mastodon.

          I'm reporting what various people are saying on Twitter about why they are not switching to Mastodon.

          Mastodon's most populated servers have pretty clear guidelines and moderation

          And various groups regard those guidelines and moderation policies as discriminating against anything that isn't a white US middle class lifestyle. Reporting their lived experience which includes major harassment and death threats from neo-nazis gets moderated for not having content warnings because it'll upset the bourgeoisie, continued attempts to speak of their experience gets them kicked off.

          Even if they find a site that will let them speak, the harassment they receive from the far right cannot be mitigated as easily as on Twitter. There's no equivalent of Block Party for Mastodon.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Of course Trump won

            It's in the settings. Seriously, try using it before shitting on it.

            https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moderating/

          2. Dan 55 Silver badge

            Re: Of course Trump won

            Then various people on Twitter never RTFM or actually tried the options in Mastodon. I expect they're just repeating any old nonsense they've read.

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    2. LybsterRoy Silver badge

      Re: Of course Trump won

      Strange, to me the "crazies" are all those who use Twitter, Facebook or equivalent.

  7. Ididntbringacoat

    Polled or Trolled?

    If anyone accepts the validity of the "Poll", well . . .

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Polled or Trolled?

      I thought it was dangerous for democracy to question the results of polls. Unless it's dangerous to have them in the first place, which this might be. Also, if the results show some things, then it's dangerous to not question them.

      It's all rather confusing.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Polled or Trolled?

        51.8%... Truxit means Truxit... erm, Tre-enter means Tre-enter

    2. Winkypop Silver badge

      Re: Polled or Trolled?

      I didn’t think Republicans accepted poll outcomes?

      Oh, they do, only when they “win”

    3. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Polled or Trolled?

      What could possibly be dodgy about a poll result on $8chan?

  8. xyz Silver badge

    OMGoat...

    I wonder what archeologists will make of that when they dig it out of the sand in 5000 years time?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Should be more goatse-y

      Well I was disappointed. Was expecting a clever visual pun alluding to "world's biggest a**hole" but it's just a fanboi Frankentribute. Goats need horns, for a start, and the strapon is far too big for the body. And I fully expect the smoke and flames will come out entirely the wrong end. Not even good enough for a cheesy Hammer Horror reboot!

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Should be more goatse-y

        It's ghastly and terrible and poorly done. Captures Musk perfectly, I think.

        I like it a lot.

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  9. marky_boi
    FAIL

    Closed my twitter account today

    Musk is a loose cannon. I wont buy a Tesla due to way they hold an owner to ransom and the only thing I can do is close the account... sheesh what a W%$nk$$%r !

    1. Steve Button Silver badge

      Re: Closed my twitter account today

      I'm with you brother! (on the Tesla thing)

      I also won't buy a Tesla, but my reasons are mortgage, heating bills and ski holidays, which are far more important than a stupid go cart (and the "cheap" ones don't even look very good - a more shite Mondeo anyone?)

      I won't be closing my Twitter account any time soon, it's far too entertaining. (and no more toxic than it was 2 months ago really)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Closed my twitter account today

        I bought a eGolf instead - I liked their founder's political views and their corporate honesty.

        1. Steve Button Silver badge

          Re: Closed my twitter account today

          "On May 28, 1937, the government of Germany—then under the control of Adolf Hitler of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party—forms a new state-owned automobile company, then known as Gesellschaft zur Vorbereitung des Deutschen Volkswagens mbH. Later that year, it was renamed simply Volkswagenwerk, or “The People’s Car Company.”"

          THAT founder!?

          https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/volkswagen-is-founded

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Closed my twitter account today

            When Poe's law and Godwin's law collide

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Closed my twitter account today

            You know, that whooshing sound was there for a reason.

            Assume a /s there.

          3. MaddMatt

            Re: Closed my twitter account today

            Dont forget to mention the Diesel emissions scandal...

  10. trevorde Silver badge

    Twitter survival strategy

    Eat your own arm so you have enough energy to fight.

    Eat your own leg so you have enough energy to run away.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Twitter survival strategy

      "Eat your own leg so you have enough energy to run away."

      '''cos you already lost the arse kicking contest :-)

  11. Arthur the cat Silver badge
    Trollface

    Elon Musk is considering more layoffs

    Isn't he going to have to hire some more people to be able do that?

  12. Oglethorpe

    Ingenious

    While it may be unintentional, Musk running polls from his personal account means people who take Twitter far too seriously will be forced read his every tweet. If they don't, they might miss the opportunity to vote against the next undesirable.

    1. Oglethorpe

      Re: Ingenious

      Sorry, missed the edit window, I should have said the half of the people who take Twitter far too seriously who also dislike Musk. The other half were already following him.

  13. gecho

    Remote Procedure Calls

    The comment about remote procedure calls in Elon's architecture diagram brought up memories of Trump's sharpie modified hurricane path visual aide.

  14. A Non e-mouse Silver badge
    Coat

    Will the last engineer leaving the building please remember to switch the lights off.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      See that's the advantage of IoT, when the person whose credit card the subscription was billed to finally leaves - the lights turn themselves off.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I might have guessed they'd blow themselves up.

    2. jonfr

      Elon Musk is not going to pay the electric bill. So the light are going to go out on their own.

  15. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    Speaking of hardcore

    The weekend was like Usenet binary groups turned into hashtags. No, not the software piracy ones.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The emperor's pants are well and truly down around his ankles, and the ensuing sack race is proving entertaining.

  17. DS999 Silver badge

    "Code review"

    A true code review for something the size of Twitter couldn't take place in a weekend. What Musk called a code review was just getting down some diagrams showing the API flow between all the various services that collectively make up Twitter. I doubt they look at a single line of actual code.

    That's like the difference between conducting an x-ray inspection of each and every weld, rivet, and fastener in an airplane versus getting someone to draw up high level blueprints of how all the airplane's components are installed in relation to each other.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "Code review"

      Maybe he's still embarrassed and put-out over the whole "RPC" thing, wanted to crib enough buzzwords from the remaining engineers to look like he knows what he's going on about.

      Elom doesn't strike me as someone who can ever let something go, to say nothing of not taking himself too seriously.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    All of this outrage

    Just because he gets rid of the vast swathes of purple haired layabouts. Do you really think anyone is going to miss the Sub-Junior Director of Diversity of Vegan Yoghurt Availability? Those who remain are likely very much enjoying their new found focus of, err, doing their job, without worrying about some trust-fund communist reporting them to some other trust-fund communist for not attending the 19th 'diversity' meeting of the week.

    1. Mr_Bungle

      Re: All of this outrage

      Yawn. You need to work harder, that was a deeply unoriginal and infantile attempt to antagonize. Cliche, trope, cliche. If you have a point, rest assured us adults can debate it, don't be such a lazy tw@t.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: All of this outrage

        >us adults can debate it

        >don't be such a lazy tw@t.

        Very adult. Hope the new hair colour works out for you.

        1. arachnoid2

          Re: All of this outrage

          Strange how you refer to media hype to make up more media hype......

    2. LybsterRoy Silver badge

      Re: All of this outrage

      How can people downvote this piece of sheer genius prose?

    3. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: All of this outrage

      There is so much wrong with this post that I'm at a bit of a loss for words about where to start. Yes, there seems to be an overwhelming sense of entitlement, about how valuable and indispensable everyone is because of their amazing and unique knowledge. The pure white light of such brilliance does tend to blind people to the realities of employment, especially in 'at will' states such as California. Twitter is neither unique nor isolated -- I've witnessed several business cycles going back decades, but as most of the people working there would be far too young to have remembered the 1990s and the dotcom boom. And crash.

      The jibe about the 'sub-director' is unwarranted and doesn't really describe the defensive stance that companies need to take these days because there's quite an industry dedicated to finding torts and profiting off them. A typical 'for instance' is a nephew's company (in the UK) where a sexual harassment complaint leads to the employment of consultants to investigate, counsel and generally feed off the company (to the tun of 90K and counting in a very few weeks -- everyone deserves thousands a day for their wisdom) -- and that's even before the lawyers have got involved 'negotiating' a settlement. We -- that's all of us -- have birthed a monster, a parasite that feeds off the promise of a big payday.

      Finally, there's all this BS about 'trust fund communists'. Its true that the entitled -- and secure -- can spout revolutionary sounding rhetoric but that has absolutely nothing to do with the labor movement or socialist politics. If you want to experience the realities then try forming a branch of a union at your workplace to see what happens. This kind of gibberish merely demonstrates how thoroughly people have been brainwashed -- they just don't know who the good and bad guys are, they just follow along with the program with its two minutes hate. Its very Orwellian. A cliche, of course, but then few have read the book (but we've all seen one of the various movie 'treatments').

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: All of this outrage

        We live in a culture of perpetual offence and constantly seeking something to make you angry. Your life doesn't have meaning unless you are 'fighting the system'. (albeit completely manufactured) It just happens that most of the people who fall into this category have had quite an easy upbringing and are the trust fund commies. Just look at Saint Thunberg. Calling for the destruction of the capitalist system that made her what she is. She could never have done what she did without a lot of money behind her.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: All of this outrage

        Man, as a Christian, I wish no-one any harm, and I hope you do not take offence, but this reads like a bot-post. I used to use xrumer more than a decade ago to produce posts like this. If you are really not a bot, and can tell me the missing one of Rod, Jane and *****, then I'll respond more fully.

        1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          Re: All of this outrage

          Man, as a Christian

          If you really are one (which I sincerely doubt, based on your posting history) think on this:

          "Wherever possible, try to live in peace with all"

          Go on, look it up - it's in that book that you probably have never read without someone telling you what you have to believe..

          (The Bible).

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Code review

    The cash goes in here.

    And?

    No, that’s it. There is no and.

  20. bobbear
    Facepalm

    He ran a poll 51.8% in favor of overturning Donald Trump's ban... but some must be bots, right Elon?

    I'd guess about 50% of them and I don't mean 50% of 51.8%.

    How dumb can you get - the Glavset mob are NOT going to miss an open goal like that...

    1. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: He ran a poll 51.8% in favor of overturning Donald Trump's ban...

      The GoP found out in the mid-terms that his endorsement is the Kiss of Death for candidates so he's a spent force politically. Noisy, yes, but not someone who needs open displays of fealty any more -- the base has moved on so other ambitious right wingers don't feel the need to kow tow to him and his family.

      He would be the ideal GoP Presidential candidate in 2024. (If you're a Democrat, that is.)

      Letting him tweet is just giving him a bit more rope.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: He ran a poll 51.8% in favor of overturning Donald Trump's ban...

        The eGOP higher ups would rather lose to the dems than see a Trump endorsed candidate win. Trump was not the kiss of death. The eGOP actively tried to kill themselves.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Devil

          Re: He ran a poll 51.8% in favor of overturning Donald Trump's ban...

          What's eGOP? Is that "electronic", as in email etc? The GOP is run by AI? That would explain a lot, considering the current state of AI :-)))

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: He ran a poll 51.8% in favor of overturning Donald Trump's ban...

            Establishment GOP. The half of the US uniparty that pretends to be the republican party in their sham '2 party' system.

  21. arctic_haze

    So he is truly insane

    Also kudos to the bosses who preferred to get fired instead of participating in the massacre of their teams.

  22. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

    Not sure why anyone would want to continue to work for this petulant bully

    Yes, I get the H1-B serfdom issue, and it's not uncommon for people in the US middle class to be living paycheck-to-paycheck and want to be sure of another position before leaving. (I wouldn't have much faith in Musk's severance-payment promises; that money has to come from somewhere, and the $12K or whatever that employees are prioritized from bankruptcy proceedings won't go far.) But actually want to work for this idiot? There can't be many left.

    I've been reading Miller's Toy Wars (1998) about Hasbro and the other big US toy companies, and I'm struck by the difference between the execs he writes about and Musk. Those were people dedicated to their firms and employees, actual visionaries who created innovative products and marketing strategies. Ruth Handler cooked the books,1 but she was the co-founder, co-chair, and president of Mattel. She invented Barbie. She created her first business from nothing, peddling decorative boxes her husband made in a home workshop at local boutiques. Hasbro's Hassenfelds essentially invented using children's television programming to market toys. Maybe you think all of that contributes nothing to society, but hundreds of millions of children beg to differ. And it was innovation.

    What's Musk done? Bankrolled Paypal (ugh) in the early years, and gone along for the ride on Tesla and SpaceX, while wasting money and energy on quixotic side projects. Any already-wealthy entrepreneur could have done that, and I don't for a minute believe Musk brought anything special to the party. He's a beneficiary of a historical moment, and someone else would have played that role if he hadn't been there.

    In The Ascent of the A-Word (2012), a cultural history of the term "asshole" in US discourse, Nunberg remarks that Donald Trump is probably the quintessential asshole, as popular usage has constructed the term. I think Musk may have since refined the category. Sure, Trump managed to get himself (or was placed by his handlers) in a more dangerous position; but for sheer assholery I think Musk has him beat.

    1Her 41-year (!) prison sentence was suspended, but she and her husband lost control of Mattel and about half their personal fortune was returned to the company. She went on to found a successful business making breast prostheses – she was a breast-cancer survivor herself.

  23. russmichaels

    the sheer ignorance of almost all the people commenting is astounding.

    Has twitter gone down or even faltered as a result of all these people being fired?

    no is the answer

    in fact I have seen improvements.

    Tweetdeck for example has not changed or improved for a long time, yet this week I saw some long awaited new features and improvement.

    Twitter is now also more profitable than Facebook or Apple...

    All this in just weeks....

    It is clear that Twitter was just a moneypit and the previous execs did sweet FA and most of the people they employed, sat at home doing sweet FA, except prejudice, biased and unethical moderation, banning, and deleting.

    Despite over 7500 staff, support tickets never ever got answered.

    I have one ticket that I have been waiting a whole year for a reply to, and that is with me sending 35 follow up emails....

    So Musk is just getting rid of useless dead weight that is sucking up money.

  24. This Side Up

    "some must be bots"

    On both sides, oviously.

  25. Torquemada_131
    Holmes

    "Musk told a Delaware court his reorganization of Twitter was almost complete"

    I'm sure that Musk must have heard the words "Due Diligence" sometime in the past 40 years.

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