Country that still uses fax machines wants to lead the world on data standards at G7 Even though Japan lags behind the rest of the developed world in digital transformation, it hopes to create global data flow standards for discussion at next year's G7 meetings. Speaking at STACK 2022 – a developers' conference in Singapore on Tuesday – Japan's minister of digital affairs, Taro Kono, said: "Next year, 2023, we …
> The second is seen in Europe, where GDPR guarantees privacy yet hinders data movement across borders
It doesn't.
On the contrary, it's explicitly provided for. Obviously, there are rules along the lines of maintaining adequate levels of protection.
Note that the issue with sending data to the US is not one of GDPR per se but one of CFR, notably the right to be heard by a judge pretermitted by the law and the right to legal recourse.
I've found that in practice it actually does hinder, but for different reasons. I've visited a few US-based websites only to be greeted with a message saying that my IP address appears to be in a country where GDPR applies, so access to the website is blocked as the website wants to avoid the risk of falling foul of GDPR (which I take as meaning "GDPR may or may not affect us but we can't be bothered to do any research so we're taking the path of least resistance and just blocking you. Have a nice day")
I wouldn't say that's GDPR hindering you, I think that's more a case of GDPR helping you judge that a website can't be trusted with your data.
Taking an informed view, you then have the choice of using a VPN to access it knowing what data you provide may be abused or just finding an alternative source instead.
I might be concerned if it was a website that I'd be handing my data over to, but in the majority of cases it's been local news websites - a left-Pondian friend has told me about something interesting happening in their neighbo(u)rhood and I'm looking to their local news to find out a bit more.
" in the majority of cases it's been local news websites"
It may appear to be just a news website, but the fact they're concerned about complying with the utterly trivial requirements of data privacy that should require, strongly implies they're mining and selling personal data in dangerous and immoral ways.
I've encountered this, but only with 'local' US sites with little interest in the world outside of the US. Basically I have taken it to mean they have heard some scare stories about GDPR and just can't be bothered to find out any more, and why would they given the world outside of the US is remote and of little concern to them...
Take comfort that they've heard of GDPR, it means the EU has achieved something in disturbing the slumbers of small town Amercians.
"(which I take as meaning "GDPR may or may not affect us but we can't be bothered to do any research so we're taking the path of least resistance and just blocking you. Have a nice day")"
Cant blame them really. If a place wants to be difficult you have to weigh up the value of putting in the effort
This will quickly be kicked into the long grass...
EU will refuse to accept anything that waters down GDPR standards
US at a federal level is likely to hit a roadblock as the current proposed federal legislation (ADPPA) is weaker than the current California CCPA/CPRA and the Dems don't want to invalidate the stronger California laws
So the chances of bringing the whole of the US up to GDPR standards are non-existent and the EU won't agree without it.
Wild West it is then...
> EU will refuse to accept anything that waters down GDPR standards
You haven't heard of that thing called the European Commission, have you? Also known as the colonial administration.
The only thing stopping them from giving away all our data to the yanks are the courts and tireless NGOs like NOYB.eu (go and donate). Also to some extent the Council (notably France) and the handful of MEPs who can actually tell a computer from a three legged rhinoceros with a cocaine habit.
They've already started to. The adequacy decision for the UK handed down on 28/6/2021 water down the GDPR in respect of transparency. Paragraph 49 (the first of section 2.5.4 Transparency) states "Data subjects should be informed of the main features of the processing of their personal data" [emphasis added]. The GDPR however requires that all processing is explicitly declared to enable data subjects to identify the rights they can exercise in respect of specific processing.
This kind of re-interpretation, coupled with the extreme laxity of enforcement even in most EU member states, the legislation has never really had a chance to get started and is progressively being whittled away. It was a brilliant idea that unfortunately trod on too many corporate toes.
"So the chances of bringing the whole of the US up to GDPR standards are non-existent and the EU won't agree without it."
The problem with saying 'bringing up to' such and such standards suggests that those standards are good. It might be the case or it might not be. For example we dont see an EU version of Google, Amazon, Facebook or any other such global successes the US has that the EU envies.
+Raspberry PI Private Server instead of Data Socialism in a US corporation
+https://delta.chat/de/ True Privacy Chat
+LibreOffice out of Hamburg
+seL4 high security OS
+NextCloud private cloud
+https://www.onlyoffice.com/de/ private cloud office
+Qt open source GUI toolkit
+tCC high performance C compiler
+INRIA CompCert proven correct compiler
+GPG cipher
+ARM CPU
+Hetzner
+OVHCloud
+1und1
@myithingwontcharge
"Define "success". Those are three of the most repugnant and culturally toxic companies on the the planet."
They are successful. Succeeded and continue to do so. You can disagree with them but thats your opinion vs the many who keep these businesses succeeding.
"The fact that the EU has nothing like them proves the EU system works."
Really? The EU looked in envy at these successful companies and couldnt understand why they couldnt make such success. Maybe more regulation was the answer! And so no luck. If failing in that manner is proof the EU 'works' then it explains a lot.
I see you didn't keep up with the news...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/14/paris-overtakes-london-europes-largest-stock-market/
and yes I've also read:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/16/sorry-remoaners-london-still-beats-paris/
But then you didn't specify the criteria for your No.1 rating.. :)
@Roland6
"I see you didn't keep up with the news..."
Oh wow! You are right I didnt see the article 3 days ago. I bet this is an exciting time for remainers after so much disappointment to finally have something to crow about and get the thrill of something they can point to.
"But then you didn't specify the criteria for your No.1 rating.. :)"
Good you know the difference.
Japan is a leading nation in computing, if you consider Fujitsu, NEC and Hitachi companies. They are one of the few nations which can develop and produce CPUs which can compete with Intel and AMD. E.g. the SPARC and ARM CPUs of Fujitsu.
A nation of hard working and polite people, who also had nobel prize winners decades ago.
Their JSDF is also something to reckon with, having the ability to develop and produce all of their weapons themselves !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-X#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShinMaywa_US-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_90_tank
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_P-1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_space_program#HOPE_project
No, Japan is a Superpower In Waiting.
If only they could find a way to have more babies, Japan would have a glorious future.
"A nation of hard working and polite people, who also had nobel prize winners decades ago."
I would also take issue that the articles assertion that the "people" are averse to new tech. If anything, I'd say the Japanese people seem to embrace new tech far quicker than in many other countries. From what I understand of the situation, much of the laggardness in adopting new tech is in government and business because the law specifies certain processes, hence physical signatures on paper, the use of floppy disks and faxes for transferring information etc. Enshrining technical solutions in law probably seemed like a good idea at the time, but clearly the laws as written didn't allow for future developments and they need to change those laws before they can properly move on.
But as the article stated they have a serious problem that has nothing to do with technology! Thier birth rates are crashing, they have a rapidly aging population. Why you might ask? I'll tell you, the increasing feminization of the male population and an unhealthy obsession with video gaming, (I have nothing against video games). A very large part of the Japanese male population are not marrying and having children, They are either adoptin the "alternative lifestyle" or are vegging out on front of screens. Japan is the canary in the coal mine here. This problem is spreading and it is being encourged by the international Left (funded by the CCP). Marriage and birth rates in western countries is crashing! One must ask, why is the Left teaching our young boys that they are not boys but girls! I can assure you the Chinese are not doing this?
China has the opposite problem, they don't have enough women. This makes for an interesting future senario!
Reminds me of an old move. The new title would be "China needs women!"
"lead the world on data standards [...] Aiming for somewhere between US 'Wild West' and EU's strict GDPR"
This exemplifies the fundamental misunderstanding that still besets data protection legislation.
The "US Wild West" (apart from being a cluster of differing state laws rather than a coherent regime) is generally about things done to our personal information (e.g. selling or sharing as data). The GDPR is about respect for the "fundamental rights and freedoms" (inter alia Recital 2) of data subjects and protecting them from "physical, material or non-material damage" (inter alia Recital 75) resulting from the processing of their personal information. So despite its name the GDPR is not data law -- it's human rights law.
Sadly, there's a significant move (not least in the UK) towards abandoning the GDPR basis in favour of a pure "data" approach, primarily because respecting the rights, freedoms and protection of data subjects involves effort and care that businesses don't in general feel it economic or worthwhile to exercise.
Just for example, I recently saw a privacy notice on the notice board of a UK medical practice waiting room that was last updated in 2008. Considering the certainty that the practice processes sensitive data under Article 9 (and the comparable schedule of DPA 2018) this indicates a total failure to recognise the need to comply with the legislation.
However, long standing and almost universal non-compliance with the current legislation, instead of driving improved enforcement, has driven the politicos to decide to water it down to accommodate those who find it a nuisance to comply. The result will inevitably be a "UK Wild West", the official justification for which is promotion of "growth and innovation" regardless of any adverse consequences to data subjects.
Given that the NHS is going to export everything it's got to Palantir, there is also a total failure to recognise the need to comply with the legislation at government level too.
As usual, world beating (as they are so keen on saying) on paper, the subjects of the legislation have no idea about it or, worse, they do know about it but know they'll get away with not following it as nobody lifts a finger to enforce compliance on the ground. See also: Environment Agency.
Leftpondian here. Fax machines are still in active use in a lot of places, industries, and businesses. I've had to send faxes for business purposes, as well as faxing claim information to insurance companies. The US is very much a "country that still uses fax machines".
I haven't seen anything in the US, even government agencies, request a fax. It has all been replaced by Microsoft corporate accounts that lose critical emails forever into a maze of antiquated IT hygiene rules. It's a good solid 5 years more advanced than fax machines.
I have worked in state/local US government and still see fax machines quite a bit. I have heard the reasoning for this is because a fax machine is a end-point to end-point communications device.. The logic being (and completely ignoring the realities of modern infrastructure) that the data sent between the two parties was never at rest on a device not owned by the intended recipient and therefore not modified or copied. I have never asked our legal counsel if this is true or not. If so, it is probably just a case of the conservative lawyer culture or laws lagging behind reality.
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