back to article NTT claims it can stop the noise leaking from annoying people's headphones

Japanese telecommunications megalith NTT released details on Wednesday of ambitious headphone tech that eliminates pesky sound leakage – even on open-ear earphones. The feat is accomplished with a design for a speaker enclosure that is claimed to hold sound in a very small space. "With these earphones, you will be able to …

  1. alain williams Silver badge

    Can they also stop ...

    the musak in shops, sports centers, pubs, ... Why, oh why, these people think that it is necessary to blast us with their crap choice of music is beyond me.

    1. Mike 137 Silver badge

      Re: Can they also stop ...

      "why these people think that it is necessary to blast us with their crap choice of music is beyond me"

      Probably for the same reason that broadcasters think they must add silly distracting sound effects to reportage programmes -- the assumption that we expect to be constantly "stimulated". Unfortunately many people I've asked have become habituated to this and find quiet environments unnerving so what annoys alain williams (and me) is self-perpetuating and probably escalating.

    2. Andy Non Silver badge

      Re: Can they also stop ...

      Or over-loud music in films and TV dramas, sometimes to the extent you can't even hear the dialogue over the background music.

    3. Sp1z

      Re: Can they also stop ...

      I'll sometimes use noise cancelling ear/headphones with nothing playing when visiting shops, for exactly this reason.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Can they also stop ...

        I wear them on the London Underground as, for instance, the screeching noise of the tracks goes well beyond any Health and Safety limit, yet people are exposed to it on a daily basis.

    4. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Can they also stop ...

      In pubs the aim of loud music, and salty snacks, is to get you to drink more.

      In other environments, the idea is generally to improve the mood by providing a "bed" over either the warehouse like silence or irregular clatter of people and equipment. Personally, I do find that music that is just about audible does help me ignore external sounds such as traffic, because the brain tends to focus on it.

      1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

        Re: Can they also stop ...

        In pubs the aim of loud music … is to get you to drink more.

        It gets me to drink elsewhere.

      2. MiguelC Silver badge

        Re: Can they also stop ...

        When there are few shoppers, they're welcome to browse idly, but when the shop is overcrowded they want people to get what the want and move on. Science has long established that the type of music playing influences the way customers behave, so shops use that to their benefit - even if it annoys some, it makes the many act as pretended.

        1. Someone Else Silver badge

          Re: Can they also stop ...

          [...] it makes the many act as pretended. [emphasis added]

          Was that your intent, or is your Freudian slip showing?

          Or the effect of a hyperactive and somewhat inebriated auto-correct?

      3. doublelayer Silver badge

        Re: Can they also stop ...

        I imagine the loud music does get people to drink more given that all chance of useful conversation is annihilated, but in my experience, it also deters repeat visits as conversation is one of the nice parts about going somewhere with friends or colleagues. If I'm enjoying myself, I'm more likely to want to stay and keep ordering things.

  2. snowpages
    Boffin

    Science..

    "which does somewhat more than optimizing holes in a speaker enclosure. It also pits normal phase and reverse phase sound waves against each other to cancel out at distances."

    I suspect that the correct way to describe this is "BY optimizing holes in a speaker enclosure it pits normal phase and reverse phase sound waves against each other to cancel out at distances." No "also".

    1. david 12 Silver badge

      Re: Science..

      The sentences work either way. Your suggestion is clear, but misses the point that holes in a speaker enclosure are already optimized.

      The normal optimizing holes in a speaker enclosure are for impedance matching. These holes do something more: they do cancelation at a distance.

  3. OhForF' Silver badge

    (Conference) calls in public

    public transport is an environment in which it is generally thought socially unacceptable to blast your conference call

    It's not only the noise of the other party coming out of the headphones that makes it unacceptable to make calls while using public transports, your part will be audible to anyone nearby. If you hear somebody next to you talking to someone you'll subconsciously search for that other guy being addressed and if you can't find anyone that will make you uncomfortable.

    Another reason to avoid calls in public is sensitive information may be leaked - even though those around forced to listen in usually won't be interested.

    1. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      Re: (Conference) calls in public

      Also, people tend to talk louder on the phone. A voice talking to someone next to them is usually for more subtle.

      1. gnasher729 Silver badge

        Re: (Conference) calls in public

        Your mind just thinks you have to talk louder when the other person is far away. Reality is that modern phones pick up a quiet voice just fine and the other person can understand you just fine without shouting.

  4. TRT

    Those directional speakers...

    are freaky. I've encountered them in some museums. The penumbra where the sounds starts getting cancelled out makes me nauseous.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Those directional speakers...

      The penumbra where the sounds starts getting cancelled out makes me nauseous.

      Yes, I know some of my friends have that problem, noise cancellation is not for everyone. I use a Sennheiser Momentum 3 (over ear) which is quite good, but Sennheiser offers an option in its app to reduce the cxancellation sound pressure for exactly that reason. I haven't tested if that works on my friends, though, and I personally don't have that problem so thankfully I can leave it do its thing when flying.

      However, there is one massive gotcha when flying: if you plug in your headset and watch a movie with environment suppression you're likely to almost lose your ear drums during a cabin announcement as that has been set for the standard dinky things they hand out. As far as I'm aware there is as yet no noise cancelling headset that has some sort of input compressor to prevent that from happening, which is one of the reasons I tend to watch movies on my laptop or iPad instead..

      1. Oglethorpe

        Re: Those directional speakers...

        I found this with earlier noise cancelling headphones (sensation of pressure) but the Sony WH1000 and Bose 700 both do an excellent job. In my opinion, the Sony does a better job at getting close to absolute silence while the Bose achieves a seamless pass through effect with the external mics when needed (great for quickly hearing what's going on or yourself in a phone call).

        Against that, neither are particularly good while walking with NC on and are unusable in wind (a consequence of the microphones) and the sound quality is disappointing compared to something cheaper like the Beyerdynamic DT770 (closed back). For good quality sound, I now go with IEMs, using Shures in high noise environments and Moondrops with saner background volumes.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Those directional speakers...

          I've used the Bose - their noise suppression is actually better (after all, it's actually their main aviation business), but I found the sound quality better in the Sennheisers so that's what I picked as I use them more than just on planes.

          I must try the other ones you mentioned, though, thanks for the tip.

  5. TeeCee Gold badge
    Mushroom

    I believe that Smith and Wesson also make a product that's very effective at alleviating this problem.

    1. Boork!

      You are referring to the silencer, of course...

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The biggest problem with these headphones...

    ...is that they will typically be bought by people who already don't disturb others, whereas they actually need to be USED by people who do.

    1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: The biggest problem with these headphones...

      You're saying that these need to replace the earphones that are normally found on the arseholes ??

      1. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge

        Re: The biggest problem with these headphones...

        You're saying that these need to replace the earphones that are normally attached to arseholes ?? there, fixed that for you ;-)

        1. Giles C Silver badge

          Re: The biggest problem with these headphones...

          Well if that is how you are using them then surely just sitting down should muffle the sound quite a lot?

    2. Snake Silver badge

      Re: The biggest problem with these headphones...

      They've never heard my Stax Lambda Pro's / 404's. Bipolar electrostatic diaphragms, requiring an open-air design (Stax does have a sealed version but they don't sound the same). Think Quads / MartinLogans (sans subs) for the ears.

      You AREN'T silencing them. Ever. That's the way they're built and the way they need to operate.

      ---------------------------------------

      They once made a battery-powered energizer to take them outside. A few people have dared to. Love to see how that would work out in today's society :p

      1. MiguelC Silver badge

        Re: The biggest problem with these headphones...

        Yes, Stax sound amazing but, as you pointed, they are not intended for outdoors use.

        The same way you seldom see your average chav with a Quad ESL boombox :D

  7. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    Look pretty good

    The biggest problem with any kind of headset is turning it up too loud because this will impair your own hearing over time; if it's so loud that it's annoying other people then it's already too loud.

    I don't encounter "leakage" often as a problem but anyone involved in a conversation is going to be more annoying than their headset. But I do like the like idea of improved situational awareness. I already have a headset with external drivers for when cycling. Generally, I can hear both navigational instructions and what's going on around me, which is safer for me and those around me! The design looks good as well, except for that perennial of us four eyes: a loop over the ear, though the clip does show someone wearing glasses, so maybe they've solved this.

  8. Eponymous Bastard
    Devil

    If only it could silence the shite leaking from . . .

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  10. ICam

    Communicate with people around you?

    Quite often, when I put headphones on, I don't want to be able to hear people or other distracting sounds around me.

    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Communicate with people around you?

      That is probably more common than not, but I am a fan of open-ear designs for some cases. When traveling outdoors, I prefer not to obstruct my hearing when it could be important for safety. When working closely with a small group together, I like being able to hear if a discussion starts so I can take part (although this is less common than working next to people who I don't want to hear). There are also other occasions where having the ability to hear the world around me and the feed from my device simultaneously can be important or just desirable.

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