back to article Microsoft gives away '$400m in cloud support' to Ukraine

The Ukraine government will continue to be able to run its digital infrastructure through the Microsoft Cloud for free in 2023, the tech giant confirmed today. In a blog post, Microsoft president Brad Smith said that technical support will continue to be available to the embattled country and could add up to as much as $100 …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Thats about a weeks worth of services and support in Azure....

  2. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
    Linux

    Cost?

    > "bring the cost of Redmond's financial support for Ukraine to more than $400 million"

    I'd wager that it's not a cost, more of a "RRP".

    Actual cost to Microsoft? They've probably had to beef up their firewalls, and use a bit more electricity, but I doubt it's anywhere near $400M

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Cost?

      it's not a cost, it's 'free' (oh, the irony) advertising. Did they not throw in 'renewable cloud' claim? MS fuckers.

    2. TReko

      Tax deduction

      Cost might end up negative, as they can write it off as a taxable donation?

  3. Zolko Silver badge

    NATO -vs- Russia

    With the entire western world behind Ukraine, they still didn't win this war against North Korea and Iran ?

    1. crayon

      Re: NATO -vs- Russia

      The majority of Nato aid is for optics. The main aim is to get rid of old Soviet era hardware to be replaced with overpriced and underperforming Nato gear supplied by the usual war profiteers. The secondary aim is battle test stuff like NASAMS - although it has been deployed for years, Nato hasn't had an opportunity to test their air defence systems, because they're not needed when you're Freedom Bombing wedding parties.

      1. Sandtitz Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: NATO -vs- Russia

        The main aim is to get rid of old Soviet era hardware to be replaced with overpriced and underperforming Nato gear supplied by the usual war profiteers.

        Keep telling that to yourself, comrade crayon.

        The US supplied HIMARS systems have been performing very well and it's the Russian Soviet era hardware and battle field tactics that are massively underperforming. The results are for everyone to see with the hundreds of T-72's and other tanks + armed vehicles, and the dozens of Ka-50 helos that are littered all over Ukrainian countryside.

        Before the war started the Russian war machine was thought to be second only to US, and international Russian armament sales are not going to get any extra boost from their poor performance.

        Most damaging attacks Russia has been able to do seems to have been done with the Iranian kamikaze drones on the civilian infrastructure targets. Pathetic, really.

        1. crayon

          Re: NATO -vs- Russia

          "The US supplied HIMARS systems have been performing very well and it's the Russian Soviet era hardware and battle field tactics that are massively underperforming."

          When they were first deployed they did score a few hits and propaganda points by destroying some Russian arms depots and such. Russia responded by dispersing their arms depots, hunting down and destroying himars units - in which they have been quite successful killing more than half the units sent. Ukraine, per Nato training, responded by targeting more civilians.

          "Most damaging attacks Russia has been able to do seems to have been done with the Iranian kamikaze drones on the civilian infrastructure targets. Pathetic, really."

          Most damaging attacks on both Ukrainian manpower and equipment have been and will continue to be the good old artillery. The increased attacks by Russia on the Ukraine's electricity distribution network is a response to the high profile terrorist attacks carried out by the Ukraine - these are the ones reported and applauded by Nato media (the low profile terrorist attacks such as the deliberate shelling of civilians have been studiously ignored by Nato media for years). Ukrainian trains, running on electricity, are the main means of transporting troops and equipment to the front lines, hence the electricity distribution system is a valid military target.

          1. Sandtitz Silver badge
            FAIL

            Re: NATO -vs- Russia

            "When they were first deployed they did score a few hits and propaganda points by destroying some Russian arms depots and such."

            Nope. You wrote that the NATO gear is underperforming and overpriced. Now you are just saying that they did hit "some" Russiand targets. You are not actually telling how it is underperforming.

            Russian tanks seem to have tendency for Rapid Unplanned Disassembly, and their military tactis seem to be based on WW2 era.

            Listening to you - it sounds like the Russian victory over the feeble Ukrainian forces is imminent and the Ukrainian satanist rulers will be overthrown in a jiffy. That's plain ludicrous because it's Russia that has been on the retreat for quite some time now.

            Russia cannot even establish air supremacy even though it dwarfs Ukraine in numbers.

            "Russia responded by dispersing their arms depots, hunting down and destroying himars units - in which they have been quite successful killing more than half the units sent."

            Ukraine has built decoy HIMARS systems and the Russians fell for them. This isn't new tactics at all.

            "Ukraine, per Nato training, responded by targeting more civilians."

            No they didn't. Those mass graves in Russia occupied territories contained people garroted and mostly shot in the head. By Russians.

            Your excuses are pathetic, subhuman even.

            "The increased attacks by Russia on the Ukraine's electricity distribution network is a response to the high profile terrorist attacks carried out by the Ukraine"

            Ukraine isn't terrorising Russia, it's the other way round. If you are referring to the Crimean Bridge explosion - the whole construction is illegal and Russia is occypying Crimea illegally. No difference to you building a shed on your neighbour's lot and him demolishing them.

            "Ukrainian trains, running on electricity, are the main means of transporting troops and equipment to the front lines, hence the electricity distribution system is a valid military target."

            It is a war crime by UN definition. Targeting hospitals, homes, schools and kindergartens are also war crimes. Rapes too. Russian military has shown great aptitude at causing great suffering for the Ukraininan people.

            1. crayon

              Re: NATO -vs- Russia

              "Now you are just saying that they did hit "some" Russiand targets. You are not actually telling how it is underperforming."

              As you're having trouble inferring what was implied, "some" because most of the projectiles from Nato's game changing wunderwaffes were shot down.

              "No they didn't. Those mass graves in Russia occupied territories contained people garroted and mostly shot in the head. By Russians."

              They are using Himars to deliberately target civilians, just as they have been using artillery to target civilians for 8 long years and continue to do so. Those "mass graves" in Liman that the Ukrainian regime showed as proof of Russian barbarity? And compliant media disseminated those blatant lies? Did you even see any of the videos or pictures? Each of the "mass" graves was marked with a crude cross, and under each cross was one corpse. Does that look like a mass grave to you? Those corpses were of those dead Ukrainian soldiers whom their comrades left behind, and refused to collect even when the Russians offered safe passage for them to do so. It was Russian soldiers who buried those corpses and where identification was possible, scratched the names of the fallen onto those crosses. In return for Russian humanity the criminal Ukrainian regime and despicable Nato media turned it around to accuse Russia of war crimes.

              And do you know why Ukrainians very rarely collect their dead? Some believe the tripe about Valkyries swooping down from the sky to revive the fallen so they can rise again to fight their enemy. More practically the Ukrainian regime does not want the dead to be collected and returned home to be buried, because if they're not confirmed dead then they don't need to pay compensation to the dead's families. These are the kind of values that the EU are duping/forcing their citizens into paying the Ukrainians to fight for.

              "It is a war crime by UN definition."

              If the UN wants to prosecute there is a near limitless list of war crimes that Nato countries - both individually and collectively - have committed. It appears that Biden's guilt (and that of the collective US) have surfaced to haunt him when he blurted out Fallujah when talking about Kherson.

              1. Sandtitz Silver badge
                FAIL

                Re: NATO -vs- Russia

                "As you're having trouble inferring what was implied, "some" because most of the projectiles from Nato's game changing wunderwaffes were shot down."

                Absolute nonsense.

                HIMARS in Ukraine shoots rockets. They are not slow drones or even subsonic cruise missiles. They hit at supersonic speed. You can't shoot down them in any meaningful way. That's the way it works with many other rockets as well. Basic military knowledge.

                "They are using Himars to deliberately target civilians,"

                Ukrainian military targeting Ukraininan civilians? Absolute nonsense again.

                With 100.000 Russian troops dead or wounded, I'd say Ukraine has targeted Russian troops.

                "Those "mass graves" in Liman[...]Those corpses were of those dead Ukrainian soldiers"

                Way to go watering down the killings.

                Have you seen reports of Bucha mass graves? Close to 500 hastily buried. Eye-witness accounts from residents of Bucha said that the Russian Armed Forces carried out the killings.

                "Valkyries"

                Who are you trying to convince with this nonsense? Is this related to the Satanism that Putin has recently alleged to Ukraine?

                >80% of Ukrainians are religious in very much the same way Russians are. Norse mythologies wouldn't in any meaningful way be represented there.

                "More practically the Ukrainian regime does not want the dead to be collected and returned home to be buried, because if they're not confirmed dead then they don't need to pay compensation to the dead's families."

                You are talking about Russian government there.

                "It is a war crime by UN definition."

                I see you didn't refute this at all. Targeting hospitals and infrastructure because soldiers are using them is a war crime. You seem to accept Russian war crimes as a normal recourse wars.

                You could just be brainwashed with government propaganda, but access to El Reg website seems to contradict this, so more likely you are just trying to push this Russian kleptocratic point of view even when anyone can verify them to be factually bogus. Either you're pushing this for your own passtime (= Trolling), but from the zeal I'd say you're doing this out of patriotic, and possible also economic, reasons.

                Judging from your earlier posts, you possess local knowledge in all things south of Sham Chun river. Now what does that tell us?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Cloud pull out?

    Have Microsoft stopped Russian businesses using their cloud yet?

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