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Ancient microbes on Mars could survive up to 280 million years if they are resistant to radiation and left buried underneath the ground in frozen, moist conditions, according to a study published on Tuesday. Mars is a difficult planet to survive. Lacking a magnetic field, it cannot shield its surface from harsh cosmic …

  1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Alien

    "could not survive dormant for the estimated 2 to 2.5 billion years"

    The first hundred million years were the worst.

    The second hundred million years were the worst, as well.

    After that I went into a bit of a decline...

    1. Paul Herber Silver badge

      Re: "could not survive dormant for the estimated 2 to 2.5 billion years"

      Don't talk to me about life on Mars!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "could not survive dormant for the estimated 2 to 2.5 billion years"

        "Don't talk to me about life on Mars!"

        Why ???!!!

        I quite liked Bowie !!!

        :)

        1. Paul Herber Silver badge

          Re: "could not survive dormant for the estimated 2 to 2.5 billion years"

          There's (probably) not enought water on Mars for any equivalent to Davy Jones and his locker.

      2. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: "could not survive dormant for the estimated 2 to 2.5 billion years"

        "Don't EVER waltz into my kingdom acting king of the jungle!"

        Pub!

        PUB!!

    2. Steve Button Silver badge

      Re: "could not survive dormant for the estimated 2 to 2.5 billion years"

      Here I am quietly contemplating the meaning of life for 280 million years and everything seems just fine, but at 280 million years and one day, which happened to be a Monday, it all seems a bit pointless.

      1. Paul Herber Silver badge

        Re: "could not survive dormant for the estimated 2 to 2.5 billion years"

        Here I am quietly contemplating the meaning of life for 280 million years and everything seems just fine, but at 280 million years and one day, which happened to be a Monday Thursday, it all seems a bit pointless.

    3. Version 1.0 Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: "could not survive dormant for the estimated 2 to 2.5 billion years"

      But we were "born" about 3.5 billion years ago - documented by Dr. Neil Shubin; initially we were fish that worked their way out of the shallow water and started walking around (on four new legs) so the potential for discovering fossils on Mars that reveal a new form of evolution is very interesting. Maybe only microbes these days but in the past we might find a real physical person existed on the planet.

    4. DS999 Silver badge
      Trollface

      But viruses could have survived

      So Elon might bring covid-39 back with him when he finally reaches Mars, oh goody!

      1. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

        Re: But viruses could have survived

        Nope, he won't make it back, and his autopilot will see the bright flickering light of the Sun and think "10 points!"

  2. Death Boffin

    Deep biosphere

    Given the deep biosphere here on earth having life thousands of meters underground, I could see life on Mars still being there after billions of years.

    It is also quite possible that it has the same DNA. There has been quite a lot of cross contamination due to meteor strikes over the last few billion years.

  3. Paul Cooper

    Given that there are Martian meteorites on Earth, it is almost certain that there will be terrestrial meteorites on Mars. So, if a terrestrial meteorite (which we know would have a good chance of carrying terrestrial microorganisms such as D. radiodurans) landed on the Martian polar caps, it could easily have a short-lived environment after landing during which surviving bacteria could reproduce. As there is evidence for repeated melting and refreezing at the Martian Poles (e.g. "Spiders" and "trees"), it seems to me that we should EXPECT there to be bacteria or similar micro-organisms at least in the vicinity of the polar ice caps.

    1. Version 1.0 Silver badge

      Given that a strike on Mars, throwing rocks into space, means that gravitation would pull them towards the sun, I suspect that any rocks thrown from the Earth might be more likely to be found on Venus. Certainly some might head towards Mars but I think the chances are low so we'll probably not find any dinosaur fragments on Mars.

      1. GBE

        Given that a strike on Mars, throwing rocks into space, means that gravitation would pull them towards the sun, I suspect that any rocks thrown from the Earth might be more likely to be found on Venus. Certainly some might head towards Mars but I think the chances are low so we'll probably not find any dinosaur fragments on Mars.?

        I don't understand. Why would the delta-V provided by the impacter more likely make the ejecta head towards the sun than away from the sun?

      2. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

        If something gets knocked off the Earth in any direction roughly towards the sun, with enough velocity to escape Earth's gravity well, it's going to end up in a highly eccentric orbit, which at aphelion is going to be well outside Earth's orbit. At the right angle, this would easily cross Mars' orbit.

        tl;dr; - the orbit of these would be elliptical and go beyond Earth's orbit. The more elliptical, the further.

    2. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      The chances of anything coming from earth are a trillion to one, they said...

      It's actually quite hard to launch meteorites into space. This link suggests: "a minimum crater diameter of ~25km, even before the effects of atmospheric drag on Earth-launched projectiles is considered." and then goes on to suggest ejecta probably don't achieve the necessary escape velocities which "...questions the potential existence of terrestrial meteorites." We've not found any that have dropped back to earth - though they'd probably burn up and be hard to recognise if they survived.

      But supposing it's possible, your bacterium has got to survive the impact and launch. It will then be on a ~20cm "pebble" (ibid) where it has to survive the vicissitudes of space for hundreds of thousands of years (for an earth-moon journey), or probably a few million years (for an earth-Mars journey).

      It's then got to survive the entry and impact onto Mars, and land in just the right place.

      1. Tom 7

        Re: The chances of anything coming from earth are a trillion to one, they said...

        If you accelerate something on Mars over 100m to a speed required to break out of its gravitational field you need to accelerate it at 50000G.Accelerating a piece of rock like that would make it quite hot.

        I've yet to see anyone come up with what looks like an even vaguely plausible attempt at getting panspermia going that doesnt involve a 3 stage rocket.

        1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

          Re: The chances of anything coming from earth are a trillion to one, they said...

          It would have to involve organisms that can not only survive but thrive and multiply in interstellar space, and also survive atmospheric entry where applicable, and impact.

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: The chances of anything coming from earth are a trillion to one, they said...

        The odds aren't great but we do know of at least one very large impactor here on Earth that arrived about 66 million years ago and hit and area abundant with life and left a crater estimated at 180KM in diameter. I'd imagine a decent amount of matter went spacewards and didn't come back. Would a big impactor increase the odds of something surviving the ejection into space or is it more likely the ejector was subject to so much energy as to make it less likely? I have no idea myself.

        There is evidence of other similarly large impactors during previous eras, Here's a list of 40 or so of the largest craters over 25KM in diameter.

  4. heyrick Silver badge

    # The chances of anything coming from Mars, were a million to one, they said...

    1. Richard Gray 1

      beat me to it :)

      but still they come!!

      (maybe)

      Do Do Doooo Do Do Doooo

      Wheee ooooww

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: beat me to it :)

        Ooh, after the whole American-spelling row, here's a spelling-related thing we could finally get agreement on: should it be "Do Do Doooo", or "Dum Dum Dummmm"?

        1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

          Re: beat me to it :)

          I think the only one we can agree on is "Oooooooooooh laaaaaaaa"

          1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
            Stop

            Re: beat me to it :)

            Given the new US Centric PTB, how long before it becomes:

            "USAAAAAaaaaaaaa"

  5. Mike 137 Silver badge

    "The best chance of finding these hypothetical microbes would be to look below the planet's surface"

    I wrote a short story (actually called "Red Planet") in 1994 proposing this to be the case. Prescience? More likely just common sense.

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Most prescience is. But then common sense is vanishingly rare.

    2. EvilDrSmith
      Angel

      Re: "The best chance of finding..."

      A team of scientists carried out this research just published, so that is Science.

      Since you wrote your short story beforehand, it obviously is Pre-science.

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  7. Claptrap314 Silver badge
    Alien

    "And viruses"

    So... we could be looking at a reverse War of the Worlds situation, then?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Microbes on Mars

    “Relax guys, there’s plenty of time to evolve before Musk arrives”

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    But what have the vivisectionists to say about these cruel experiments?

    They may be just microbes, but microbes have feelings too and they could grow up to be....... erm, bigger

    Think of the microbes, folks

    < insert Godwin's Law here>

    1. heyrick Silver badge

      They made a film about this... Life

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