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Scottish space startup Skyrora's first attempt to launch its Skylark L rocket ended in failure after it unexpectedly came crashing down into the Norwegian sea. The Skylark L is a sub-orbital vehicle: it's designed to blast off vertically, is said to be capable of reaching speeds more than four times the speed of sound, and is …

  1. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    No such thing as failure

    Just another opportunity to learn how not to do something. Keep trying, laddies, you'll get there eventually.

    1. jgarbo
      Coat

      Re: No such thing as failure

      Right! Success is for losers.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: No such thing as failure

      You know it's a scam when a 1 minute video calling itself "launch attempt" is just a bunch of drone footage of the thing sitting on its pad.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: No such thing as failure

        Right. So you are incapable of searching the web? I have no idea why El Reg didn't link to the actual launch where it's clear within a few metres that it's going wildly off course, but it's easy enough to find. Try the BBC,

        1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

          Re: No such thing as failure

          I have no idea why El Reg didn't link to the actual launch

          Because this article, like 90% of El Reg nowadays, is a recycled press release. The whole thing seems to be run by an ad sales department and a couple of workies for the content.

        2. James 47

          Re: No such thing as failure

          Are you incapable of sharing that link?

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-63243339

    3. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: No such thing as failure

      The rocket is not designed to reach orbit and it didn't, by a large margin, success

    4. AbeSapian

      Re: No such thing as failure

      It's just a learning experience.

      1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

        Re: It's just a leaning experience.

        It leaned a bit too much...

  2. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
    Pint

    For some reason ...

    ... I expected the rocket to have crashed into a whisky distillery.

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: For some reason ...

      Indeed there are some pretty decent whisky distillers in Iceland.

    2. spireite Silver badge

      Re: For some reason ...

      If launching from Iceland, it'd be a great success to hit a Scottish distillery.

      1. NXM Silver badge

        Re: For some reason ...

        Iceland the shop sells whiskey; fortunately the doomed rocket missed all of them. The distillery that makes Reyka vodka (which I thoroughly recommend) survived as well.

        I'm fairly sure there are no branches of Iceland in Iceland after that trademark dispute.

  3. jgarbo

    No wildlife has harmed, but the rocket succumbed to its wounds.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      It crashed in the sea. There's ;ots of wildlife there. And it's probably even more wild now someone just crashed a rocket into the bailiwick!! Especially if some of said wildlife was impacted by the falling wreckage and died as a result.

      1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

        The rocket was launched outside the environment.

        1. Ochib

          Hopefully the front didn't fall off

  4. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Go

    "but it cannot leave Earth's orbit. " should read

    "but it cannot reach Earth's orbit. "

    FTFY

    It's a sounding rocket.

    They go up (sometimes quite high) but cannot reach orbital velocity (about Mach 23)

    So no not a 100% success, but a lot of stuff has been learend.

    But it did give all the systems a good work out.

    And it's salvagable so they should be able to find out what went wrong.

    Carry on.

    Every failure is a dress rehearsal for success.

    Also check out the launch site.

    No concrete pad. Just basically a bare field with 4 shipping containers in it.

    Not bad.

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: "but it cannot leave Earth's orbit. " should read

      Over many decades UK had been launching Skylark sounding rockets with performance way ahead of these latest tests. The program ended in 2005.

      1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
        Unhappy

        The program ended in 2005.

        So the UK hasn't put a sounding rocket in the air in 17 years.

        This effort, despite it's limited results, sounds like the start of a rebirth to me.

    2. Snowy Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: "but it cannot leave Earth's orbit. " should read

      Considering the speeds of Mach numbers changes with altitude (Mach 1 at sea level is about 768 mph at 30 000 feet about 670 miles per hour) it may be better to state it in a more fixed units like M/s or KM/h.

      Escape velocity is the speed at which an object must travel to break free of a planet or moon's gravitational force and enter orbit. A spacecraft leaving the surface of Earth, for example, needs to be going about 11 kilometres (7 miles) per second, or over 40,000 kilometres per hour (25,000 miles per hour), to enter orbit. (from https://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/k-4/features/F_Escape_Velocity.html)

      1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
        Boffin

        leaving the surface of Earth..needs to be going about 11 Km/s (7 miles) per second, to enter orbit.

        Wow, what an astonishing lack of comprehension. :-(

        For those of you without a HS level of physics "Orbital velocity" is the velocity needed to achieve and remain in orbit around a body at a certain altitude, neglecting atmospheric drag (you could orbit the earth at 10m altitude at sufficient speed, provided you a)made up the drag losses, b) dumped all the frictional heat you were generating so you didn't melt)

        For the Earth, neglecting ascent losses, that's about 7900 metre/second for around a 200Km altitude (HS level physics textbook can show you the relevant formula and constants to do the calculation). I normally work with M1=340m/s to give people a rough idea of what we're talking about.

        "Escape velocity" is the speed needed to leave an orbit around that body and go to another one. For Earth it's about 1.41x bigger (IE root 2)

        So 7900m/s to get and stay in orbit, 11000 m/s to go to the moon (and which you'd have to cancel on return to get back to the Earth's surface).

  5. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Pint

    BBC headline:

    Misses space, hits sea... a little cruel perhaps?

    This is an excellent learning opportunity so it doesn't happen like that next time. Solace all round --->

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: BBC headline:

      Reminds me of the item on the first Ariane 5 launch on "Have We Got News For You" - so long ago it was Angus Deayton with line "and in South America there was the first launch of Ariane Cinq ... and shortly after the launch Ariane sank"

    2. Commswonk

      Re: BBC headline:

      Misses space, hits sea... a little cruel perhaps?

      Hey... that would make a brilliant film title: The Cruel Sea

      1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: BBC headline:

        I think that one's already been done.

  6. MiguelC Silver badge
    Trollface

    Bad omens

    Even those shipping containers near the launchpad knew it wouldn't fly, two of them had FFS written all over them and the third was like OFS ("Oh! Fuck! SHit!"?)

    1. General Purpose

      Re: Bad omens

      As long as there isn't one marked RUN.

  7. Oglethorpe

    "Scottish"

    Will they be a 'British space upstart' when they start enjoying success?

  8. that one in the corner Silver badge

    Skylark launch fails

    The search for the dastardly DuQuesne begins.

  9. Commswonk

    Simples...

    ...the Skylark L rocket faced difficult weather conditions and its hardware had not been tested at low temperatures. Scientists and engineers are investigating the anomaly.

    Try pulling the choke out a bit more.

    Yes; I'm old enough to remember manual chokes. :(

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Simples...

      one of my cars has a manual Choke! You never have to pull it out all the way though.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "...its hardware had not been tested at low temperature"

    Seriously?!?

    1. ffeog

      Re: "...its hardware had not been tested at low temperature"

      ...well, it has now. Although one wonders if a cheaper test could've ascertained that sooner in the development cycle ;-P

    2. Ian Johnston Silver badge

      Re: "...its hardware had not been tested at low temperature"

      Why would they bother? There's no suggestion that a place called "Iceland" might be a tad chilly.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: "...its hardware had not been tested at low temperature"

        They are planning to move to tropical Greenland for their next attempt

      2. Atomic Duetto

        Re: "...its hardware had not been tested at low temperature"

        Sooooo.. the average sea level temp in Iceland is colder than that at 125km altitude?

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: "...its hardware had not been tested at low temperature"

          By some measure yes. the cooling effect of -20C at sea level pressure with humidity is much greater than in near vacuum at -80C

  11. Arty Effem

    I think I've analysed the problem: they should have mounted it on the end of a long wooden stick.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      In a milk bottle

  12. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    Maybe...

    Maybe they are treating this like a caber tossing exercise.

    (I would not like to call anyone expert in this noble sport a tosser, but according to Wikipedia, it is perfectly acceptable. You first though...)

  13. Anonymous John

    RUD

    Rapid unplanned disassembly.

  14. fg_swe Bronze badge

    Also Fire the P.R. Man

    So he openly admits that the subsystems were not tested before for low temperature ?

    That does really NOT sound like seasoned engineering. If you want a complex system to operate correctly, you better simulate the environment (hot, cold, vibrations,electromagnetics, software input vectors, A/D sensor voltages, ...) and operation of ALL subsystems before. Rocket motor, avionics, vernier rockets, GPS receiver, telemetry etc. HIL Testing of all avionics and telemetry. ArianceSpace thought they could cheat on HIL and it cost them only 500 million Dollars (Ariane V first flight).

    That is costly, but probably cheaper than launching the entire system and trying to decipher what went wrong based on telemetry from the real flight. Also the reason the Russians lost the race to the moon, they were overly aggressive instead of systematic and complete ground testing.

    Having said that, the V2/A4 had plenty of launch failures, before it was moderately reliable. Mr Musk had plenty of failures until his rockets became reliable. So, keep trying, rinse repeat. Before that, test all subsystems in a simulated environment on the ground.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Also Fire the P.R. Man

      >they were overly aggressive instead of systematic and complete ground testing.

      Prior to Apollo 8, the first manned mission, there hadn't been a successful Saturn V launch.

      They had planned for 2 complete successful test flights before the first manned flight but some political party chief decided that it had to be done before the next round number of years

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Quote: "Skyrora ... is hoping to launch a commercial rocket service flying modest payloads into low-Earth orbit."

    Some suggestions about "modest payloads"........all suggestions have plenty to be modest about:

    (1) Owen Paterson

    (2) William Rees-Mogg

    (3) Kwasi Kwarteng

    (4) Liz Truss

  16. StrangerHereMyself Silver badge

    Pleased

    I'm pleased to see that the UK is once again using the knowledge gained from the German WWII HTP-powered rockets to ignite its own space sector. It's been too long since Black Arrow last made use of the tech.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Pleased

      Given current politics do we really want Scotland to have 'revenge weapons' ?

    2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Unhappy

      from the German WWII HTP-powered rockets

      No. they're reviving the technology devleoped for the Black Arrow launcher in the 60's.

      And the only close-to-orbit rocket the Germans launched in WWII was the V2, which ran on LO2 and alcohol.

      It's pumps were powered by (rather poor quality) hydrogen peroxide.

      The US got hold of a supply of this stuff and found it unstable and difficult to handle (because it was cheap and nasty).

      The British made their own and worked out how to do it themselves.

  17. Gene Cash Silver badge

    So where's it SUPPOSED to land?

    Sounding rockets go up and down, so it's actually supposed to land somewhere. Is it supposed to parachute somewhere near the launch pad?

    Apparently it's supposed to land "downrange 27km" but there's no info on if this a relatively soft landing, and the instruments are returned, or is it just a prang into the ocean?

    1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: So where's it SUPPOSED to land?

      Good question, but it was supposed to go a little further than the 500m it made it from the launchpad.

      C.

  18. Rosie Davies

    <SIGH!>

    "...boats and airplanes have..."

    It's a Scottish rocket, those would be aeroplanes.

    Rosie

  19. AbeSapian

    Points of Order

    1) Maybe this was really planned as payback for all those Viking raids.

    2) I thought most rocket launches took place near the equator to take advantage of gravity and the Earth's rotation. And ...

    3) Using their glossy sales video when talking about their unplanned flight path was cold Reg - real cold.

  20. PeterM42
    Mushroom

    What you have to remember...

    ....this IS rocket science.

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