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Conspicuous energy consumption is a feature of the Bitcoin model, rather than a flaw, according to a crypto-miner defending the power-guzzling activity. Zach Bradford, chief executive of publicly traded Bitcoin miner CleanSpark, waded into the debate sparked by the Ethereum Merge, the shift from proof of work to proof of stake …

  1. DenTheMan

    Bitcoin the plot ...

    A great invention for both big oil and any martians looking to invade.

    Obviously the martians would prefer us to sprout two sets of fins.

  2. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

    Mr Bradford demonstrates he understands neither economics nor physics.

    How fortunate we are that Bitcoin is there to soak up all that excess green energy that would otherwise have just been poured down the drain.

    1. Schultz
      Unhappy

      ...soak up all that excess green energy...

      Unfortunately, that green electricity in Georgia seems to be predominantly produced from fossil fuels (see: link to US energy information administration): some 50% natural gas and 15% coal. Bitcoin proponents sound more and more like tobacco admen in the late 90s: they know their game is up, but they are committed to squeeze that lemon dry while there remains a gullible audience.

  3. redpawn
    Flame

    Proof of Work

    Converting useful energy to waste heat as a definition of "Work" is magical. I guess that makes arsonists valued entrepreneurs.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Proof of Work

      That's why it is proof of "work" not "useful work" or "remotely efficient use of electricity"

      Someone found the lucky number (technically hash). Something was accomplished. Therefore it IS work

  4. MatthewSt Silver badge

    Not quite "Any"

    "and drop any messages they wished"

    As long as they also dropped every message after it, and carried on building their own blockchain at a slightly faster rate than the "legitimate" one. Due to the way each is signed, you can't just remove one out of the middle.

    Not pro-blockchain by any stretch, but I'm pro-facts and would prefer it if the criticisms (and benefits) of the technology were all genuine

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Not quite "Any"

      What, no, if I do a transaction, I send that request, unencrypted, any man in the middle can see that transaction request and drop it. It never gets to be distributed to nodes or processed and put on the block chain. No need to do anything else.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Funny how this is already pushing bitcoin trading off the blockchain and into the exchanges.

    Funny, because while it is both power efficient and cheap to do so, you are placing blind faith in the exchange to actually honor the trades. You literally have zero protection from a technical level.

    (the funny part is that from Mt Gox, probably the first real exchange rug pull, onward the exchanges have been the point of the largest fraud.)

    1. Not Yb Bronze badge

      Re: Funny how this is already pushing bitcoin trading off the blockchain and into the exchanges.

      Well, biggest aside from the Terra/Luna self-backed "stable"coin Ponzi scheme, which effected prices of most every cryptocoin in existence when they started it.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: the exchanges have been the point of the largest fraud.

      Arguably crypto currencies ARE the fraud. The fact that you found a special number makes you rich? Does that sound like reality to you?

      1. Jedit Silver badge
        Stop

        "Does that sound like reality to you?"

        It sounds like the lottery to me. So if Bitcoin doesn't have a license to operate a lottery or gambling franchise...

      2. sten2012

        Re: the exchanges have been the point of the largest fraud.

        It really does.

        Lottery, trust fund babies, being born in wealthy countries, premium bonds, good local schools, natural intelligence, having good parents

        It's not what reality should be but anyone who tells you they got rich off hard work, and hard work alone is either a liar or delusional. Its all down to luck of the draw.

  6. that one in the corner Silver badge

    Y2140 - The Movie

    Bradford reckons that everyone will be using BitCoin in the Metaverse, when the fateful day in 2140 rolls around.

    At which point, with the last coin mined, there is no longer any incentive to continue mining and the entire BTC blockchain simply - stops. Panic envelops the Metaverse, dog avatars living with cat avatars. One brave hero pulls off his visor and ventures out to investigate, daring himself to leave the room he has lived in for so long. There is a dramatic twist when he is confused by the sounds echoing through the Marabar Caves.

  7. sarusa Silver badge
    Devil

    Film at Eleven

    Selfish arsehole argues that him being a greedy sociopath is a good thing for everyone, film at eleven.

    1. Alumoi Silver badge

      Re: Film at Eleven

      So, another Zuck wannabe?

  8. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge
    Trollface

    He's lying for a start

    I will never be in the "metaverse" thingie, not even going to try the goggles. Instead I will amuse myself going from pod to pod switching various tubes around.

    When you're in your virtual world, partying like it's 2099, but you start having cramps and then everything smells like shit, smile, for you've just had a close encounter with MV Lipvig!

    1. dc_m

      Re: He's lying for a start

      That sounds like fun, I'll join you!

  9. Graham43723

    Units

    I have an idea for a new unit of power. How about expressing the BC consumption in 2020 as 8.6 GW?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Units

      Nah. We want BTU per fortnight.

    2. Potemkine! Silver badge

      Re: Units

      I believe consumption is about energy, not power. Anyway it's wasted when it is used for cryptocurrenshits.

      == Bring us Dabbsy back! ==

  10. gnasher729 Silver badge

    Public flogging

    That and displaying him in the stocks would be appropriate punishment for him.

  11. Not Yb Bronze badge
    Facepalm

    The current dumbest argument I've heard for using bitcoin and not being concerned about the energy usage is:

    "It's a store of energy"

    Yes, as if one might get that energy back out of bitcoin somehow by doing something that can't actually happen in this universe.

    1. captain veg Silver badge

      It's a store of energy

      Well, it could be.

      If you'd bought Bitcoin when they were a few dollars each (maybe less, they were a couple of hundred when I first looked) then even at the currently depressed price of approximately $20,000 you are in a position to pay your energy bills. For the next couple of years, at least.

      -A.

      1. Not Yb Bronze badge

        Re: It's a store of energy

        That's not a store of energy though. That's a (terribly volatile) store of value.

        You can never get any part of the energy used to create or transfer a bitcoin back, even if you can use it to buy dollars to purchase energy with.

  12. captain veg Silver badge

    that makes sense

    Cash = some paper (vegetable fibres) + some ink (varies) + a fiddly design that's hard to reproduce cheaply (only needed once) + a central bank that you need to have anyway.

    Bitcoin = transmutation of mass to energy + a shedload of faith.

    Totally comparable.

    -A.

  13. Brian of Romsey

    Rendering

    Hi, Does anyone else se "TWhyear-1" instead of "TWhyear<sup>-1</sup>"?

  14. Richard 12 Silver badge
    Boffin

    No plan for 2140?

    Fair enough.

    But the actual end of Bitcoin et al happens about 100-120 years before that, as it's asymptotic. As the rate at which the coins are assigned drops, 'mining' becomes more transparently a broken lottery - whomsoever convinces the others that they won, wins.

    As the wins space out further (it's not infinitely subdivided) groups drop out of 'mining'. The transaction rate falls, a very small group controls all transaction processing, nobody else can cash out and suddenly, poof!

    The design is fundamentally unusable as a currency. Anyone saying otherwise either doesn't understand any of the first principles of currencies or economics, or fraudulent.

    1. Jedit Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      "But the actual end of Bitcoin et al happens about 100-120 years before that"

      And just to add a suffix to this: we're already less than 120 years away from 2140.

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