back to article Biden's Privacy Shield 2.0 order may not satisfy Europe

An executive order signed by President Biden on Friday to setting out fresh rules on how the US and Europe share people's private personal info may still fall short of the EU's wishes, says the privacy advocate who defeated the previous regulations in court. The executive order is designed to codify agreements the EU and …

  1. VoiceOfTruth

    Restricting?

    -> restricting how signals intelligence can be gathered by US spy agencies

    Everything possible, they will grab. And the USA will seek to justify it when they are caught yet again.

    To make things more equitable, every EU country should be able to set up signals gathering stations in the USA, and send the data back.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Restricting?

      Why do you think most embassy have many and varied aerials on their rooves? They;re all at it!

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "first make their way through the Office of the Director of National Intelligence"

    I believe this is enough to make the new rules useless. Let's wait their are struck down again.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    None of your business

    Like many other things, rights are "use it or lose it". If you care about privacy, security and rule of law, support NOYB with a monthly contribution. They do great work that benefits all of us (not just those in the EU).

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    European Commission

    Might as well be called the viceroyalty, or the office for colonial administration.

    I don't hate the Americans but they should stop dictating who we do business with and on what terms.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: European Commission

      More importantly, we should stop sending money overseas.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: European Commission

        > we should stop sending money overseas

        Nothing wrong with sending money overseas as long as it's in the context of *mutually beneficial* trade or genuine humanitarian causes.

        However, if it's to pay our colonial tax or to get more people killed, no thank you.

        1. VoiceOfTruth

          Re: European Commission

          -> colonial tax

          Effectively that is the international trade priced in dollars. Up to a point that is neither good nor bad. However the USA is trillions in debt. Any talk about the size of GDP is irrelevant if the debt is not being reduced. As I mentioned in another post each American child is now born with about $40,000 of debt.

          The USA is exporting its debt to the countries which use dollars for trading. Hence there will be a very strong attempt to stop anyone buying oil and gas using Chinese yuan, or indeed anything other than dollars. Once that happens on a large scale the dollar will collapse. All those colonial tax dollars will buy nothing.

  5. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    Privacy Shield 2.0?

    More like 1.1 It's been tweaked, not re-written. I doubt there's enough changes to warrant a major version number increase ;-)

    1. b0llchit Silver badge
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      Re: Privacy Shield 2.0?

      Version inflation makes it look better than it is. They should have used

      Privacy Shield 3.11 for Workgroups
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      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Privacy Shield 2.0?

        Just so long as they don't produce a "personal" version just for...Me :-)

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        Privacy Shield Me

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        1. Joe W Silver badge

          Re: Privacy Shield 2.0?

          Complete with Privacy Shield Bob and "Clippy" ?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    Who's privacy?

    All versions of the "Privacy Shield" do little to enhance the privacy of the observed and are focused primarily on guaranteeing the privacy of the observers - the intelligence agencies. Their data slurping will continue unabated regardless of rules or court decisions. Same as it ever was.

  7. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge
    Big Brother

    Seriously?

    Rules that define how US spy agencies gather and store information? HILARIOUS! The US government will continue to hoover any and all data it can lay its grubby little paws on. But, rest assured the data WILL be held securely in hackerproof storage, only to be leaked when some politician deems it necessary for political gain.

    Before anyone gets all holier-than-thou about it though, all governments since the beginning of time have employed spy networks to gather information on friends and enemies alike. They can't operate without doing this.

  8. dajames

    Restricting how signals intelligence can be gathered by US spy agencies ...

    What the spooks do isn't really the point. If the spooks want our data they'll probably get it, possibly by asking our own spooks for it.

    The real point is that commercial entities outside our own jurisdiction will get their hands on our data and we will have no legal mechanism to prevent them from monetizing it against us.

    1. cosmodrome

      Re: Restricting how signals intelligence can be gathered by US spy agencies ...

      That's not what privacy shield x.0 is about. It only deals with access to data by US agencies.

      1. SImon Hobson Bronze badge

        Re: Restricting how signals intelligence can be gathered by US spy agencies ...

        Actually, it does impact commercial operations.

        Privacy ShieldFigleaf is basically about making data sent overseas "more or less" as safe as if it was legally being used within the EU - both from the PoV of what businesses do with it, and what the state spooks can do.

        No agreement like this can paper over the structurally significant cracks that represent the fundamental difference between EU and US laws. And since Figleaf was brought in to replace Safe Harbour, US laws have gone in the wrong direction. Basically, US law is incompatible with EU law - so there cannot be any legal transfer of personal data from the EU to the US other than with the informed consent of the data subjects. Few would give informed consent (I wouldn't) which would make it pointless even trying.

        This new version will be struck down as the previous ones were. But in the meantime, it gives businesses a legal process under which they can carry on. When it's struck down, there'll be something new - and that will "work" for a few more years before it too is struck down. Max will get more than a hat trick if he stays in the game for long enough !

  9. Danny 2

    Kudos Anonymous

    I see Iranian state TV news was hacked. That was a very, very, very good thing to do. I think you say 'props'.

    I've slagged Anonymous in the past for good reasons, but I always said they sometimes did the right thing in the right way. This is one of those times.

  10. Andy The Hat Silver badge

    The UK and US data sharing agreement

    I may be wrong but I believe this is a red herring in this story as it concerns the direct sharing of personal data for criminal investigative purposes between the UK and US authorities.

    Doesn't this article and executive order refer to the general sharing of data for (generally) commercial processing purposes which is then used by third parties (eg accessed by the US authorities) without the permission or knowledge of the subject/owner of that data?

  11. Strahd Ivarius Silver badge
    Joke

    I checked Apple & Google store

    I still see the Facebook application on both, what are they waiting for?

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