back to article Late but lustrous, a fresh remix of Ubuntu emerges

The team behind the unofficial Ubuntu remix with the Deepin desktop has rolled out an updated version based on the current Ubuntu long-term support release. The Reg FOSS desk took a look at UbuntuDDE at the start of the year and came away impressed. The Linux Deepin desktop environment is bright, colorful, and easy to use, but …

  1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

    Behold the fractal nature of Linux distributions!

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Behold the pretty but also impressively functional UIs coming out of the vast, little-known Chinese Linux market, where fringe desktops from distros most people have never even heard of have more polish and more usability than the leading Western desktops after 25+ years of work by billion-dollar corporations.

      That's more like how I'd put it, but hey, you do you. ;-)

      1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

        Same thing, really. Perhaps if the West didn't keep producing remixes of versions of distros based on versions of remixes of (cont p94) then it too could produce nice usable desktops.

        1. Will Godfrey Silver badge

          The problem is that everyone has a different idea of 'nice' and even moreso 'usable'

          1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

            Well, yes, but sadly, there is an answer here, it's just not a popular one.

            It's closely related to:


            "Win32 is the stable Linux userland ABI."

            What most people can agree upon is that the Windows desktop is the "standard" "traditional" one now.

            Which then proposes a new question: which version? Windows 95 (& NT 4) was the original. That is more or less what Xfce, LXDE and LXQt implement.

            GNOME 2 was a sort of half-hearted version, built by people who apparently didn't really understand how the Windows one worked, so it can't do simple things like vertical panels well.

            Windows 98 came when MS was under investigation by the US Justice Dept for illegally bundling IE. So, MS built IE into the Windows UI. Good aspect: multithreading; quick launch bar. Bad aspect: pervasive HTML rendering everywhere to legitimise IE being there.

            I don't like it myself. Didn't then, don't know.

            But that is what KDE copied -- poorly. It has many complex twiddly options instead of direct manipulation, and it's not nearly as flexible as the developers think, because they didn't really know how to customise the original they were copying.

            However, since many people only know how to use it poorly, it's good enough for them.

            That is where the Linux world gave up. "Just barely good enough" -- ship it.

            Actual Windows users would mostly tell you that Windows 7 was the high point, and so that's what UKUI and DDE are trying to copy.

            Result, they copy a much more modern Windows UI, with app tiles, no need for a quicklaunch bar, working vertical panels, working search built in, and so on.

            So, the question is, who does it best? If you just want a Windows-like desktop, your choices are:

            [1] a very basic Win95 type UI

            [2] a fancier Win98 type UI -- a copy of something half-done

            [3] or a copy of the highpoint of the design of the original.

            Version 3 removes a lot of the fiddly twiddly bits some Linux types like. Me, I personally prefer v1, as basic as it needs to be and no more.

            But a lot of people like v2, and I am trying to point them at a maybe better alternative that they might like.

  2. Will Godfrey Silver badge

    A word of warning

    I've picked this up a short while ago. It's a quote from the Arch Linux people.


    as you install APT updates, Snap becomes a requirement for you to continue to

    use Chromium and installs itself behind your back. This breaks one of the major

    worries many people had when Snap was announced and a promise from its

    developers that it would never replace APT.

    A self-installing Snap Store which overwrites part of our APT package base is a

    complete NO NO. It’s something we have to stop and it could mean the end of

    Chromium updates and access to the snap store in Linux Mint.

    A year later, in the Ubuntu 20.04 package base, the Chromium package is indeed

    empty and acting, without your consent, as a backdoor by connecting your

    computer to the Ubuntu Store. Applications in this store cannot be patched, or

    pinned. You can’t audit them, hold them, modify them or even point snap to a

    different store. You’ve as much empowerment with this as if you were using

    proprietary software, i.e. none. This is in effect similar to a commercial

    proprietary solution, but with two major differences: It runs as root, and it

    installs itself without asking you.


    The Arch people have sensibly blocked default action of any package installing

    snap. But if you really *really* want to do that manually you still can...

    at your own risk of course.

    P.S. I've just been told the same is now happening with Firefox

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: A word of warning

      Just checking... you got that this is an Ubuntu remix that *doesn't* contain the snap version of Firefox, right?


      1. Will Godfrey Silver badge

        Re: A word of warning

        The main item comes from Arch, the later comment refers to a user of upstream ubunto.

      2. Ian Johnston Silver badge

        Re: A word of warning

        I've recently purged snap from a Xubuntu system which didn't have it originally but which installed it as part of an apt upgrade. I can't now remember which app acted as the trojan horse in that case.

  3. shah27

    Wait isn't that

    At first glance I thought this was Windows 10 white theme.

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