Google - so much money spent just to push adverts, is that really the crowning glory of the US tech industry?
Ex-Googler Eric Schmidt's think tank warns China could win global tech race
US think tank the Special Competitive Studies Project, a private spinout from the National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence, has warned that the period between 2025 and 2030 will be the time when global technological leadership will be decided – and the USA and like minded nations may not be able to maintain their …
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 20:49 GMT jmch
Indeed - just like an ex-googler to define "microelectronics, AI, and 5G" as the key technologies, which are basically needed to collect data, find supposedly clever ways to get insights from data, and hardware to process the data.
The key to technology has always been, at the root, power (in the physics sense not the political sense). The richest most (politically) powerful nations are those that use most energy per capita. The ability to (usefully) consume energy as work is the key, not how good an advertising profile you can build by tracking everything and everyone.
Solar, nuclear and geothermal power breakthroughs are the key.
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Thursday 15th September 2022 09:38 GMT gandalfcn
And wind. Then there is tidal.
The PRC built wind farms with a total capacity of almost 100GW in 2020, a rise of nearly 60% on the previous year, which is more than the rest of world combined. The US built just 16.5GW.
China is planning at least 150 new nuclear reactors in the next 15 years, more than the rest of the world has built in the past 35
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Sunday 25th September 2022 07:00 GMT GraXXoR
Re: news?
What on the gods' green earth gives you that idea? Look at what they started to do to HK pretty much the moment they got it back, despite PROMISING EXPLICITLY not to for fifty years.
If that's how they treat promises, how do you think they will treat "vague gestures of compliance."
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 07:21 GMT Pete 2
Common goals
> the US urgently revise its innovation policies and practices to ensure the private and public sectors collaborate
Well, the private sector wants to make enormous profits for reasons of self-enrichment. The public sector (or at least the people employed in it) want much the same. With an added portion of recognition of how clever they all are.
So the question comes down to how much money is the USA-ian government willing to throw at the initiative?
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 07:23 GMT PhilipN
Explanation please
"5G is critical because Chinese firms led hardware development and deployment, giving Beijing the chance to control network hardware around the world."
I have posed the question many times as to precisely what "backdoors" etc have actually been found in Huawei kit. Never an answer. But that is now a side issue.
How is it that telecoms companies and their engineers buy stuff which leaves "control" (sic) in the hands of the supplier? OK the supplier can - cough cough - run out of critical spare parts. Any other way or do I need to be concerned that Dyson controls my vacuum cleaner?
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 10:45 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Explanation please
@PhilipN "How is it that telecoms companies and their engineers buy stuff which leaves "control" (sic) in the hands of the supplier? OK the supplier can - cough cough - run out of critical spare parts. Any other way or do I need to be concerned that Dyson controls my vacuum cleaner?"
Multiple reasons at the beginning. Procurement had total control over who was allowed to tender excluding some western manufacturers, security was not really considered, they went for the lowest cost options without realising the impact, company profit was king, there were no strategic decisions made or planned for, no loyalty to European companies, technical prowess within the company was overridden by project management requirements to the long term detriment of the company. There is so much more that could be said, but the failure and decline in critical areas, never to be restored is due to CEO's and senior management.
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 22:58 GMT ssharwood
Re: Explanation please
China doesn't need a backdoor. It needs someone who can describe networks to it and identify a weak point, or someone who "forgets" to patch a single server. That someone could be at a customer or a partner. Or a lucky vendor staffer posted overseas who is also a CCP member. The info they provide makes and attack, or seeking intelligence, far easier. Proper spooks know this. See https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/opinion/international-world/china-espionage.html for examples.
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 08:09 GMT amanfromMars 1
So be it with ICT and AI too.
There are many who will tell you the West has already lost the race to capture future lead because of their increasingly obvious inequitable abuse/rigging of strategic market indicators suggesting sustainable success and glorious profit rather than reflecting increasing failure and disappearing good options ...... https://usdebtclock.org
And their unwillingness or inability to fundamentally change or retune the core drivers now more widely being recognised as being responsible for having destroyed the American Dream Machine, rightly has any who may be able to help with such unconventional and non-traditional changes as be necessary, preferring to venture forth with novel proprietary intellectual property elsewhere when their offers of help are studiously ignored.
What part[s] of ..... If you’re in a deep dark hole creating enemies and division, stop digging ..... does Uncle Sam not understand?
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 08:20 GMT imanidiot
Re: So be it with ICT and AI too.
What part[s] of ..... If you’re in a deep dark hole creating enemies and division, stop digging ..... does Uncle Sam not understand?
Given that Uncle Sam as a collective seems to have the brainpower of a not particularly bright 3 year old, probably none of it.
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Thursday 15th September 2022 07:00 GMT amanfromMars 1
Prefacing Greater IntelAIgent Gamesplay ..... Produces and Introduces AI Foreplay ‽ .*
And whenever the initial original blueprints for the American Dream Machine are digitally remastered to better server A.N.Others in/from other commanding controlling domains/territories/sovereign spaces, is the Great Game extraordinarily rendered beyond Earthly command and control of universal power and future energy ...... with NEUKlearer HyperRadioProACTive IT?
It's ownership you are both invited and encouraged to presume and assume, for anything less has one permanently just spectating and raging against virtual machines and future events rather than one having any remote chance of leading in them.
And if/whenever the initial original blueprints for the American Dream Machine [circa 1954] revolve and evolve around "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, An Introduction Programming Manual, Operations Research Technical Manual TW-SW7905.1" which states its intention for energy to utilise and monopolise ....
All science is merely a means to an end. The means is knowledge. The end is control. Beyond this remains only one issue: Who will be the beneficiary?
In 1954 this was the issue of primary concern. Although the so-called "moral issues" were raised, in view of the law of natural selection it was agreed that a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.
Consequently, in the interest of future world order, peace, and tranquillity, it was decided to privately wage a quiet war against the American public with an ultimate objective of permanently shifting the natural and social energy (wealth) of the undisciplined and irresponsible many into the hands of the self-disciplined, responsible, and worthy few.
In order to implement this objective, it was necessary to create, secure, and apply new weapons which, as it turned out, were a class of weapons so subtle and sophisticated in their principle of operation and public appearance as to earn for themselves the name "silent weapons."
In conclusion, the objective of economic research, as conducted by the magnates of capital (banking) and the industries of commodities (goods) and services, is the establishment of an economy which is totally predictable and manipulatable.
In order to achieve a totally predictable economy, the low-class elements of society must be brought under total control, i.e., must be housebroken, trained, and assigned a yoke and long-term social duties from a very early age, before they have an opportunity to question the propriety of the matter. In order to achieve such conformity, the lower-class family unit must be disintegrated by a process of increasing preoccupation of the parents and the establishment of government-operated day-care centers for the occupationally orphaned children.
The quality of education given to the lower class must be of the poorest sort, so that the moat of ignorance isolating the inferior class from the superior class is and remains incomprehensible to the inferior class. With such an initial handicap, even bright lower class individuals have little if any hope of extricating themselves from their assigned lot in life. This form of slavery is essential to maintain some measure of social order, peace, and tranquillity for the ruling upper class.
..... are its prime schematics/active drivers revealed for improvement and adjustment/reformatting by that which and/or those who can and will.
* An Alien Concept/Heavenly Intervention/Diabolical Development .....
orand a Triumphant Virulent Triumvirate Compendium Exercising and Extolling the Virtues and Exhausting and Expunging the Failings in All Three Possibilities.Have a nice 0day, y’all.
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 08:13 GMT Pascal Monett
"the US is in poor shape to catch up"
If the US spent more money on its education system, it might be in better shape.
It's all very nice to have prestigious universities, but if half of the students come from China, what do you think will happen ?
Yes. China will end by dominating. A Chinese person isn't any more stupid than anybody else, and right now, China has a vast proportion of technological industries to work with.
If you think they're not going to learn from that, go have fun at Mar-A-Lago.
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 10:12 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "the US is in poor shape to catch up"
>Yes. China will end by dominating. A Chinese person isn't any more stupid than anybody else, and right now, China has a vast proportion of technological industries to work with.
China might end up dominating. It might also be India - who have also got the technological industries and an equally large pool of highly-educated talent.
Its very likely that Asia will be the economic and political centre of the world by the end of this century.
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Thursday 15th September 2022 07:40 GMT SundogUK
Re: "the US is in poor shape to catch up"
The US spends plenty on education:
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd
The issue is what is taught and how. Relentlessly teaching kids about microaggressions and white privilege isn't going to create a technically competent workforce that can compete with China.
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Sunday 25th September 2022 07:07 GMT GraXXoR
Re: "the US is in poor shape to catch up"
I don't think you have any grasp of how the average Chinese mainlander thinks*
* And by "thinks," I mean, "has been moulded to think by the CCP."
Loyal Chinese citizens come over the the US or Japan etc, and study their hearts out with the sole intent and purpose of bringing that knowledge back home to China.
"... but but... they will fall in love with the comparative luxury of the liberal US lifestyle..." I hear you say.
Nope. They spend 16 hours per day studying and are given the minimum amount of money to survive on basic subsistence for four years. They will be counting off the days till their return and their image of the West (or Japan) will be far, far less positive than people imagine.
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 08:17 GMT imanidiot
"The report imagines a future in which "China controls the design and production of solar, wind, and nuclear energy technology and uses its chokehold over other nations' climate transitions as leverage."
That's already the reality. China doesn't give a rats ass about the environment and is a happily building coal power plants to keep it's growth on track and supply energie. Meanwhile the western world is chocking itself and I have little doubt rolling blackouts are going to be a thing in Europe within the next 5 years (ie, by 2025). And there is nothing that can be done about it anymore. We've already passed the tipping point with the gas supply getting cut off from Russia. We should have started building nuke plants with urgency about 10 years ago (when everybody who knows how energy grids works warned of this exact scenario).
Meanwhile the US is headed for another civil war as the Dem/GOP gap widens and both sides entrench into extremes.
However, I think it also remains to be seen whether the PRC will still be a thing in 5 years time. There's internal rumblings (a lot of it triggered by covid) and they're not doing so splendid on all fronts. We just don't get to see or hear a lot of it in the west.
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 10:18 GMT Anonymous Coward
>That's already the reality. China doesn't give a rats ass about the environment and is a happily building coal power plants to keep it's growth on track and supply energie
China is already the leading country in terms of renewable capacity* and rolling out faster than any other country. It also has 57 nuclear reactors in design or production. Having 400m people live in an area that has the potential to become inhabitable if climate trends continue tends to focus the mind somewhat.
*Chinese renewable generation capacity in 2020 was more than the next 6 countries combined and nearly 4x that of the USA.
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Thursday 15th September 2022 19:15 GMT imanidiot
China does indeed have a lot of installed "renewables" capacity. The quality of a lot of the projects is questionable and they've done a lot of "clear cut half a mountain range and cover the south faces in solar panels." Devastating local ecology and causing massive flooding and erosion issues as the panels shed all rain straight to the bottom of the mountain. Little of those downsides is ever publicised, especially outside of the PRC.
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Thursday 15th September 2022 09:20 GMT Anonymous Coward
Therein lies the value of democracy - a relief valve to escape from dictatorial human nature.
The CPP has never been a fan a democracy, but nevertheless Deng Xiaoping introduced term limits in the 80's. Others after him continued those limits, and even degraded their own power so that China would be ruled by a committee with a chairman. Leader personality cult was deprecated. Under that system China had it's best growth.
In 2013, Xi became president and chairman, and threw that system away, concentrating all power with him by purging all who didn't obey him completely. He revoked his own term limits, and has done his best to institute a leadership personality cult echoing that of Mao - the famous "Xi Jingping thought" which is required to be memorized now by party members, and is available on an app. And now that thought includes the impractical "zero Covid", one of Xi's own ideas that nobody can challenge without getting purged and is causing immense damage.
Oh, and look how well Taiwan has done under a democracy since 1990. Same ethnic Chinese.
What I'm saying is don't underestimate the value of that 1000 years of British history since the Magna Carta leading up to modern British Democracy. It's not perfect, but it has real value.
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Wednesday 14th September 2022 12:42 GMT amanfromMars 1
More Likely Unheralded Stealthy Options are also Freely Available
In the Virtual Cyberspace Stakes, one also has to consider the whole of the Middle East ably challenging the West for the right of an Arabian Knight to be widely recognised as a Worthy Supreme Leader rather than their being ignored and denied as a Chosen One and Wannabe Fascist Caesar ...... once they realise the almighty potential of such a novel and noble direction and valiant course correction.
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Thursday 15th September 2022 11:18 GMT amanfromMars 1
Re: More Likely Unheralded Stealthy Options are also Freely Available
The squeaky wheel always gets the oil? .... Anonymous Coward
Indeed it does, AC, whenever tendered by Master Mechanics.
And failing that, whenever all manner of wheels are falling off the wagon, right, left and centre, the following is what to expect and hope arrives sooner rather than later, given the damage that can be done in the interval between now and then. It is also a reply to a Register SPONSORED FEATURE aired today [Thu 15 Sep 2022 // 09:44 UTC] by Joseph Martins ... IoT is not just for business – how do we make it work for the public sector?
Re: The First Perspective Necessary to Suffer Change in Order to Release and Realise Presently Untapped Limitless Potential
A stumbling block and great firewall to either knock down or seal off to enclose and deny future access to unfolding empowering information and greater intelligence, is any continued internetworking power and energy supply to extant traditional command and control forces and sources/formerly established politically adept and morally corrupt executive elites/corporation/bodies/parties.
That however is something which past grand masters rather than any present or future novel path-finding pioneers have every right to fear and expect to encounter everywhere and at every twist and turn illuminating and extending progress as new life and Live Operational Virtual Environments blossom and bear forth bitter sweet fruits to sample and enjoy/discard and destroy.
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Tuesday 27th September 2022 08:02 GMT fg_swe
We Will Be Fine - Just Stop Decadence
NATO+SK+JP+ANZAC is the greatest empire that has ever existed. We are so wealthy that some of our citizens have become decadent crazies. Just get rid of the "man can be woman" decadence, be proud about your own people, be proud about your nation's achievements. Get rid of the Marxist Brainfucks* COMINTERN has tried to implant into our minds.
Get back to the basics - the traditional family and three children or more. Get rid of the decadent, sick individualism. Get rid of the rotten British cynicism masquerading as "funny".
Stop selling rope to our prospective enemies.
Don't offend and invade, "because we can".
Believe that your nation's gods will help you in time of need.
Then nobody can do anything to us. We have some technologies that lead the world since 50 years. Nobody comes close and if they don't believe it, they can get a black eye trying.
*listen to Mr Bezmenov on YT