New desktop is about due
Pre-approved by her-indoors.
AMD has refreshed its desktop processors for the first time in nearly two years, revealing Ryzen 7000-series processors that boast clock speeds that can reach 5.7GHz and performance up to 29 percent greater than their predecessors. "We wanted to make the Ryzen 7000 series the fastest CPU for gamers, while delivering the most …
Pre-approved by her-indoors.
Financial abuse is an aspect of 'coercive control' – a pattern of controlling, threatening and degrading behaviour that restricts a victims' freedom.
If you earned the money, her-indoors has no say how you spend it as long as you commit to paying for the share of bills, food and other typical household outgoings.
I find it very helpful to talk through purchases like a new PC with my partner, as it can clarify mentally whether I/we really do need them. Like the rubber duck that programmers talk to when they are stuck. Once I did deliberately 'forget' to fix a rattling CPU fan and the associated drumming metal case, even though I could have done, so I could say the next PC would be a quiet one.
That's how healthy relationship works. But when you start to modify your behaviour out of fear that the other half won't give you a permission to spend your hard earned money, then it's no longer healthy.
It's easy to dismiss that as just a "funny" side of a relationship, but if you switched genders, then something like this could easily end up on one's record.
That's one of the reasons why so many men unfortunately decide to leave this world.
Yup! It's just how relationships work. My uncle for years has never had access to his money - they have a joint account so that his wages get paid directly into that, however his wife sensibly and obviously removed all the debit cards he was issued so that he cannot withdraw money or use the money in the account.
He gets given an "allowance" in cash from his wife, and she makes the decisions on big purchases as to what they do or do not buy (he has no say).
It's always been this way for them and they've been married for many years, it goes to show how a healthy relationship should work. Funniest time though was when he couldn't afford much with the allowance money for a gift for her so he purchased a frying pan as a birthday gift. She then used said pan to hit him on the back of the head for buying such a stupid gift :D
Honestly, if a man chooses to get married and can't handle this in a relationship then that's on him and his own fault. He only has himself to blame. He shouldn't get married in that case.
Thankfully I'm not married (I couldn't handle that!) so I don't have that problem and spend my money as and when I need :D
Well it's time for an upgrade. My 1080 and AM3+ FX-8300 processor have served me well. I usually wait for double but I'll make an exception this time. I don't even play games. I just love having the grunt so whatever I do will never slow me down. Let me know if anyone has some good case recommendations. Currently using a big ass cooler master case with a modular psu. It has more fans than Justin Bieber,
"Same vintage here. This was my Elite Dangerous machine, probably time to update the innards although I will keep the old case."
Couple of things for a fellow Elite CMDR. The new CPU may have all sorts of teething issues. New gen, new tech with DDR5 and new mobo chipsets to run them. If you don't want to be updating drivers, firmware and BIOS continually, then give this a miss for 6 months at least until the worse bugs are worked out.
Second, the layered Zen X3D processors are probably 6 months away as well and this will give another significant boost to performance.
Was planning to line myself up a nice Ryzen 7000/AM5 system to replace my 5yr old Intel box. But honestly, given current events, I'm prioritising energy efficiency and this new platform seems not to tick that box. TDP and power draw seem to be ratcheting up, which is not a good sign.
Will probably stick with a Ryzen 5000 APU with integrated Radeon (it's not a gaming rig), all SSDs, gold PSU, etc. Any other tips for building the most power-sipping desktop PC possible?
Sorry, but the laws of physics pretty much require more power with higher frequencies. Smaller device geometry can help but at some point you just can't fully compensate for it. The overall TDP increase is really not that bad, especially considering that my old 4 core 3.2 GHz Phenom II 955 had a TDP of 125W. And don't even talk to me about current generation Intel TDP. Toast anyone?
In some cases the more powerful CPU/GPU actually consumes less total energy because it finishes the job faster and thus spends more time in ultra-low power sleep modes.
If efficacy is important, then Flop/Joule is the bit that matters more than the TDP.
Obviously not the case if you nudge up the quality settings etc, though.
In all cases running cooler is better (assuming no heatpumps) as they tend to be more efficacious at lower Tj.
Pretty unimpressed, to be honest. It's expensive, uses expensive RAM and uses a lot of power to be only slightly quicker. It has an onboard GPU, which would be of use to the office market, but they're not going to touch it with that power draw, so forget that. PCIE4... Nice, if you want to also buy an expensive new graphics card. To go with your expensive processor. Ram. Motherboard. IE, a new computer. And an expensive, inefficient one at that. I think if you're going to buy a new PC and don't mind burning some cash with a solid commitment to burning more later in power bills then there's no reason not to get one, either. No killer app or stand out feature.
Maybe i'm a jaded, cynical IT guy. But in the current climate, a 105TDP isn't a good look. I'd hoped for so much more.
Expensive? These are cheaper on release than the previous gen was on release, and they are cheaper than current comparable (in performance) Intel parts.
For DDR5, yes, it's expensive, all new gen RAM is expensive when first out. DDR4 was no different when it came out, and DDR5 has been the same. But it will gradually drop over time, especially as more and more products start to use it, to drive up competition and economies of scale etc. Don't want to pay the price, don't be an early adopter.
PCIE4? I assume a typo and you mean PCIe5? PCIe4.0 has been around for years now. You also realise that PCIe is fully backwards and forwards compatible? You can put any PCIe device in there, doesn't need to be a new latest top end GPU. Also faster PCIe is more about supporting things like faster SSDs at the moment, rather than GPUs. PCIe5 SSDs are now hitting the market, and the next GPUs are expected to also be PCIe5 (although would likely only make a difference to top end cards). It would make no sense to release a new CPU that only supported the previous PCIe standards, especially when their is no downside, and PCIe5 hardware is already being released.
Also what do you mean by 'inefficient'? These new CPUs are now the most efficient Zen based CPUs released so far. Yes TDP/power draw has increased a little over previous gen when running flat out, but the work being done for each watt consumed has increased by a greater amount, meaning efficiency has increased over previous AMD CPUs (and was already much better than Intel).
Quoted AMD figures (so still needs to be tested independently) show that a 7000 CPU, configured to the same power draw as the comparable 5000 CPU, performs 49% better. i.e. 49% more work being done, at the same power draw. Some of that will be down to the improved architecture, but a lot will be down to the move to TSMCs n5 node (same as used by Apple for their M* ARM CPUs).
Regarding your last comments on power bills, what are you expecting to be doing with your PC? PCs pull power based on demand. Most workloads are finite, i.e. you are asking the PCs CPU to do a specific job, compile code, process image data, run the NPC AI in a game etc. As these CPUs are much more efficient then earlier Zen CPUs, (and all current Intel CPUs), a new AMD PC would consume less power for a given workload than a previous system (more whilst running, but less overall as it finishes sooner). So overall your power bills would likely go down, not up!
I don't understand the finally part. I have a Ryzen 5 1500X on an ASRock AB350 Pro motherboard that I use as a NFS server that uses ECC memory. The edac-util command confirms that it is fully operational. The first generation Ryzen 7 1700X supports ECC as long as the motherboard, such as the previously mentioned ASRock, also supports it.
The motherboard and the SDRAM modules must also support ECC. It requires extra data lines on both and extra SDRAM chips on the memory modules for the ECC bits. I have noticed that quite a few of the MSI AM4 motherboards do not support ECC. As far as I know all ASRock AM4 motherboards do. However check first!
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PC enthusiasts will be disappointed to find that AMD offered no clarity as to whether Ryzen 7000 will support traditional overclocking. According to McAfee, the CPUs will, however, support memory overclocking.
Back in the days of a DX66 , perhaps overclocking was required or justified , and probly easier due to bigger tolerences etc , chips barely needed any cooling back then.
These days , apart from it not being necessary , just why ?
If Ferrari says we have spent millions developing this engine to put out the max power it can , and it revs to 18,000 rpm
I'm not gonna say "Hey thats great , but can you take the rev limiter off it because I want to drive it harder"
Both have taken reliability and service life into account when assessing how fast it can go. Your opinion on those factors might be different to AMD's.
For example some High Frequency Traders are happy for their CPU to burn out after 3 months because the additional money they make from the extra speed will more than pay for a new one.
It's peak demand vs. continuous. To use your Ferrari analogy, if you were to run that engine continously at its 18k revs you'd have it worn out in no time, but it's there when you need the oompf to overtake someone without the valves immediately coming out through the bonnet.
By ensuring the chipset can handle those peaks you are extending its reliability. That said, I would agree with your main point insofar that this has a specific place. I would, for instance, not find this chipset of much use in a print server.
Just got at 5600g, for the price to drop £30 the day after it arrived. Good APU, certainly a big step up in number crunching than my 2400g and a nice if not mind blowing increase in the graphics too. The higher power draw of the new generation ensures it will be a few more years yet before I think about upgrading again.
I'm pretty likely to plump for one of those. Looks like a great all-rounder and presumably a much better overall 'power envelope' than the plain 5600 CPU and separate graphics card. In a couple of years I can disable the graphics and whack in a big phat Nvidia card if I feel like it.
And as, like you, I intend this new system to last a few years, I'm not worried about buying an 'end of life' platform. My next machine after this will be an AM6 socket, presumably!