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Russian Linux distributor НПО РусБИТех – aka RPA RusBITech – is thriving and plans to IPO. A few months ago, The Reg FOSS desk took a quick look at Russian distro ROSA Linux, which is derived from Mandriva. It's not the only distribution from the land of Putin. Another, Astra Linux, is one of Debian's recognized derivatives. …

  1. To Mars in Man Bras!
    Trollface

    That Explains Things...

    >Since the invasion of Ukraine, Microsoft has blocked the use of Windows in Russia...

    So that's why the Russian military seems to have become more effective as the war has dragged on.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: That Explains Things...

      There is a very low-tech baseline in the Russian mindset. Why use a million pound radio set in a tank that can fail when you can just get someone to poke their fellow soldier in the back.

      Why have a multi million pound camera system for docking (that can fail) when a mirror on a stick will do the job ?

      And so on.

      We're living the other side of that - the military-industrial complex. We *need* to have expensive weapons, or our economies stop working. And when you have expensive weapons you eventually need someone to use them on. And with the rise of global media and a shift in political thinking, it's not really possible to pretend there's a threat from the poorer countries anymore. And we're "friends" with the Saudis and not stupid enough to take on China .....

      1. Tomato42

        Re: That Explains Things...

        Not sure if sarcasm or just stupid...

        1. botfap

          Re: That Explains Things...

          Can you point out the error in what he says?

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            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: That Explains Things...

              Like the "Maginot Line". What's really innovative isn't always apparent at first.

              Arguably, the decisive factor for US victory in WWII was simply long term ability for volume production of good enough basic tech, combined with good strategy and perseverance.

              Nowadays the US manufacturing base is anemic compared to that of China.

              Even after a couple of years of being impacted by China import shortages, the needle has barely moved.

              While the high tech weapon systems are all US made - and expensive - underlying it all are the nuts and bolts and equivalent basics made in China.

              "U.S. Companies Face Hurdles in Moving Production Closer to Home" WSJ, 4/18/22.

              It may take years to duplicate the supplier networks and availability of raw materials on a scale found in Asian manufacturing hubs, experts say.

              That may be just too long in a war-like situation.

              1. Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells

                Re: That Explains Things...

                The Magnot line was hardly high tech. And it worked fine apart from the big gap at the Belgian border for political reasons.

                After occupation the Germans took over the line and it worked well for them.

                1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

                  Re: That Explains Things...

                  The second world war was defined by technological innovation. Think through the following:

                  ASDIC/Sonar

                  Radar

                  Aircraft performance (compare the Spitfire 1B with the versions that were flying later in the war)

                  Guided munitions (V1, V2 etc.)

                  Bomb technology (Tallboy, Grandslam) with the associated advances in the aircraft to carry them

                  Precision bombing aids

                  and, as the final clincher

                  The atomic bombs.

                  Modern warfare is defined by technology. The recent surprise has been that Ukraine has been able to stand toe-to-toe with what was thought to be one of the most advanced military machines in the world. Either the Russians have been holding back, or opinion of their forces was hugely over estimated, by everyone including themselves.

                  Of course, there is much to be said for too much complexity in weapons. There are many stories of advanced systems that just do not work in the field, so it is a balance between cost and complexity and effectiveness.

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          2. MajDom

            Re: That Explains Things...

            It's 100% Kremlin narrative. Purpose is to slowly lull you into believing NATO made Russia invade.

        2. martinusher Silver badge

          Re: That Explains Things...

          Neither. The Americans are currently playing catch-up with advanced military technology like hypersonic missiles. Both the Chinese and the Russians have deployed them (and the Russians appear to be using them) but the US can't get off the ground (somewhat literally). A Chinese spokesman articulated the problem which is that the products of our MIC tend to be too complex (and explained why....so much for security) -- our hypersonic missile will be a world beater, assuming we ever get it to work.

          A DoD official recently remarked that the problem with China is that they're producing their military kit for literally a twentyth that it costs us. Our weapons systems might have fantastic capabilities but we can't produce them fast or cheap enough to fight a real war. The latest systems also tend to be more like beta units -- full of bugs, of dubious operational value, often just a pile of trouble. We might not notice this when we're deployed against irregulars, armed tribesmen and the like, in an irregular police action but they come up short when used in a real theater.

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      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: That Explains Things...

        We do not *need* things to use them [afvanced weapon systems] on.

        Many governments choose war to manipulate their economies, because in war, things are destroyed, and must be replaced -- your tax dollars pay for those replacements. War places many tax dollars into the pockets of military equipment-makers and their cronies. One of the problems with using war to stimulate an economy is that profiteering reduces the country's economic benefit from what their government spends on that war.

        The biggest system-wide economic stimulation for a pound spent by the government comes from spending that pound on a small-business loan. But, small-businesses typically don't have large wads of cash to spend on lobbying/bribes, whereas military contractors do.

  2. Plest Silver badge
    Pint

    It's funny but ever since this stupid war was started by that "balding bawbag" I've felt like I'm livinf in 1984. That every mention of Russia needs to be followed by heading down to the cinema to sit and yell abuse at the screen simply because I should.

    I really don't know how I feel about this. Sure it's great to see Linux being used and used well but by Putin's mob? I know they've probably done nothing to hurt Ukrainians directly but the propaganda, as it's designed to, starts to get into your head and make you feel like your living Orwell's dystopia.

  3. Gene Cash Silver badge

    Optimism springs eternal

    "improvements ... get transferred back upstream"

    Man, I'll have what he's smoking. Does more than a fraction of academic Russia actually participate in open source? (asking seriously, because I've never seen any statistics or Russian contributions)

    1. F. Frederick Skitty Silver badge

      Re: Optimism springs eternal

      A lot of open source development is done in Russia. That includes academic institutions (quite a bit of PostgreSQL development for example), Russian companies or the subsidiaries of Western ones, and self motivated individuals working in their spare time.

      I love Russia - both the people and the culture - so it pains me to watch the war in Ukraine. I've visited Russia and Ukraine for work or simply as a tourist on a number of occasions, and been deeply impressed by the generosity and warmth of ordinary people.

      They are distinct cultures, but definitely have more in common than they do differences. The sad legacy of Putin and his henchman will be that this war will most likely be the end of any possible fraternity between these two nations.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @F. Frederick Skitty - Re: Optimism springs eternal

        There was never any fraternity between those two nations.

        1. F. Frederick Skitty Silver badge

          Re: @F. Frederick Skitty - Optimism springs eternal

          The past record of Ukrainian-Russian relations has been a pretty bitter one for Ukrainians. Attempts at Russification under the Tsars, crushed independence in the Russian civil war, Stalin's forced collectivisation that resulted in a famine, massacres in Ukrainian populated areas of Poland during the Nazi/Soviet partition of 1939, and then more Russification under Stalin and his successors after WWII.

          That last stage also included the deliberate settling of ethnic Russians in Ukraine, part of a policy across the USSR to try and fragment minority ethnic groups. We're seeing the fruit of that last policy now, since it's the more recent settlers who have provided the nucleus for Putin's uprising in Eastern Ukraine, similar to what happened in Moldova starting as long ago as 1992. The Baltic States have also had issues with their Russian minorities, many of whom refused to become citizens - something that has suddenly changed now these groups have seen that they could be Putin's pawns in his expansionist games.

    2. Crypto Monad Silver badge

      Re: Optimism springs eternal

      There are plenty of open source projects from Russian developers. A couple that spring to mind immediately: Vitastor, Yandex/Clickhouse.

      Google turns up a list:

      https://github.com/igoradamenko/awesome-made-by-russians

  4. AndyFl
    Angel

    Ferengi Rules of Acquisition

    Rule 34: War is good for business

    Also

    Rule 35: Peace is good for business

    (just to keep the trekkies happy)

  5. Robotron 1978

    Open source

    Open source software is very helpful for totalitarian countries to oppress both their own citizens and to wage war against others. All systems for spying on Russian citizens are built on Linux. The PostgreSQL database has been chosen as the target to replace Oracle and MS SQL. nDPI helps block VPN.

    So the joke that "Open source = communism" turned out to be very close to the truth. Open source is the best friend of totalitarian regimes.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Open source

      Total nonsense. Nothing is stopping Russia pirating Windows and other closed source software.

      If you really think it makes any difference, they can add "not to be used in Russia" to the GPL licence. That hasn't stopped proprietary software being pirated used in Iran, North Korean, Cuba and other sanctioned countries.

      Can you explain why that might be? Should one impossible, shouldn't it? I mean it says in the Windows EULA "not for use in Iran, North Korea, Cuba" Yet people are using it there? What is your insight? I can't see how that could possibly have happened. I could understand it if it was open source software that wasn't allowed to be used in those countries - but closed source software. Impossible!

  6. A.P. Veening Silver badge

    Reportedly, CEO Ilya Sivtsev owns 20 percent of the company.

    I have no problem with that, but I do have a problem with the 51+% of voting stock the FSB/Putin has.

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