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Three people accused of selling pirate software licenses worth more than $88 million have been charged with fraud. The software in question is built and sold by US-based Avaya, which provides, among other things, a telephone system called IP Office to small and medium-sized businesses. To add phones and enable features such as …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Facepalm

    "from gold and cryptocurrency to real estate"

    Well there you have it. They were flush with cash, but they still went and put good money into funny money.

    Not so smart, there.

    Oh well, I hope they've made good memories, because they can say goodbye to the good life now.

    1. Jared Vanderbilt

      Re: "from gold and cryptocurrency to real estate"

      Yeah seriously, get in, get rich, get out. Lay on a different beach every week. Now they're headed to 5x8 cell until they are pensioners.

  2. pavel.petrman Silver badge

    How on earth...

    ... does a customer service employee generate licences for hundreds of millions without popping up all over sales and controlling dashboards and monthly stats?

    If I recall correctly Avaya filed for bankruptcy a few years ago. Didn't they learn?

    1. KLane
      Headmaster

      Re: How on earth...

      He likely used some internal form of their key generating software to generate the keys, rather than the usual sales-based software, and side-stepped the 'accounting' side of it.

      1. pavel.petrman Silver badge

        Re: How on earth...

        Well, from business perspective it makes little difference. We make our key generation structured, so that one always knows (or should know) from which parent key is a particular end key derived. A hundred million should crop up either way. It doesn't matter which technique the employee used. Being able to do this is the problem.

        One bar owner is always present at their bar, other requires that guests pay only in exchange for a registered receipt, still others may employ yet another technique. But a bar owner, who lets their bar tenders sell from their own bottles a mere few years after the establishment went bankrupt, such bar owner doesn't hold much promise.

        The Avaya seems nice enough and expensive to replace (where I worked some years ago the IT people had to scour Ebay for used headsets a few years ago to keep the comms going), would be shame if the company should fall victim to such practices.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Probably didn’t make huge profits

    $88M in real licenses can be purchased for maybe 20% to 40% discount so black market is probably 90% discount.

    The middleman probably kept most the money so I hope the $2M was worth it.

    1. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: Probably didn’t make huge profits

      Its the old "street value" thing. Whenever there's a significant drugs bust the loot is displayed for the media along with a byline listing the value of the haul. This "street value" is invariably inflated because it makes the cops took good.

      1. julian.smith
        Holmes

        "street value"

        It's bullshit

        It's not an offer to BUY

        They've never made a SELL at that price

        As real as crypto

        LMAO

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