back to article Linux Lite 6.0: It's quite pretty, but 'lite' it is not

Linux Lite has been around since 2012 and version 6, codenamed "Fluorite", is one of the first Ubuntu-based distros to offer a version built on Ubuntu 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", released just last month. This is unapologetically a distro aimed at Windows users. For instance, unlike some distros, there are no difficult questions …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The caption says "Linux Lite 6 has a clean, colorful desktop....".

    Whilst the picture shows a grey window with grey borders on a grey desktop.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      ... with colourful app icons and a huge yellow feather.

      It is less subdued than Mint, say.

      If you want TEH SHINIES then I suggest Ubuntu Kylin or Deepin. They have all the chrome.

    2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Grey is a composite of all colours equally mixed in. It's an embodiment of diversity.

      1. Steve Aubrey

        Has El Reg enabled the sarcasm font, and my browser just doesn't show it?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I like how having a task bar with window buttons with text labels is classed a "retro" I had a good laugh at that one, a quaint little opinion you have there. So Max Zorin OS is your go to, well that just proves you don't do any work involving anything other than a web browser.

    So for all the people who have actual work to do I'm glad there's still plenty of "retro" desktop environments around so we can get our work done involving more than one windows done.

    1. karlkarl Silver badge

      But a decent desktop environment is a "retro" concept.

      All the cool "modern" guys spend their time struggling with tablet interfaces and clunky websites.

      Stop doing productive work and get with the times ;)

      1. VoiceOfTruth

        When I am "doing UNIX", I like a simple desktop. I will be opening xterms, usually lots of xterms. I might have vi open in a few of them. In a virtual desktop I will likely have a bunch more xterms, maybe with multiples of clusterssh on 40 machines at the same time. A minimal desktop saves me space here. I'm not interested in some new desktop wallpaper or Ubuntu's font. I want a minimal window and small window title bar.

        Where is an epitome of this minimal desktop which doesn't get in my way? TWM. I don't use daily it but I fire it up for old times' sake once in a while in xnest. Some people with their clunky memory-hogging Windows 10 desktop and something like Putty or MobaXterm or Xshell may laugh. They cannot even begin to compete with my efficiency when "doing UNIX". If you want to manage UNIX machines, use UNIX.

        If you want a UNIX (or these days Linux) desktop to resemble Windows or to appeal to Windows users, then it will have to look like Windows (or Mac) today. Average desktop users don't want Windows 3.1 or TWM or Motif.

        1. VoiceOfTruth

          The down votes are from penguins who think they "do Unix" but actually spend their lives installing Linux distros. And when they've found something to dislike in the distro du jour they go on to the next one. You only live once, so why not spend your life installing distros.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            The down votes are people sick of your continual whining.

        2. LionelB Silver badge

          As someone usually as fed up as the next person with your prolific and obsessive rants about the diversity of the desktop Linux ecosystem, I (partially) agree with you on this one.

          But it really doesn't matter that much to me which Linux distro I'm using, because I don't actually want a "desktop" - I'll stick Fluxbox on it and have pretty much the same stay-out-of-your-way user experience whatever the distro.

      2. david 12 Silver badge

        >All the cool "modern" guys spend their time struggling with tablet interfaces and clunky websites.<

        One of my other desktops is a Win10 tower machine with 2 network cards and a 2-port RS232 card. And the network icon thinks it's important to offer me "airplane mode".

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Very much this...

      ...I don't ask for much, but this cannot be niche request.

      There's an entire GUI for handling SELinux error message diagnostic and reporting, but not a (built-in) option to have a task switcher at the bottom of a screen with a button to bring up a menu with installed Applications?

  3. VoiceOfTruth

    -> the developers wanted to shield users from too many package managers

    Welly welly welly welly welly welly well. Some of the droogs stopped drinking their Linux drencrom and saw the light.

    -> FOSS evangelists

    FOSS nutcases. I am a FOSS evangelist and don't suffer these hangups.

    -> why not bundle Microsoft Edge for Linux

    I haven't tested it on Linux, but on Mac it did a lot of phoning back home to Microsoft.

    -> the powerline Bash shell prompt

    I've seen this around, sometimes in programming tutorials. I think some people like to post screenshots of it for vanity reasons.

    -> a new Windows migrant probably won't care

    Yep. Some people just want a good introductory experience and to get stuff done, rather than have their ears roasted with barbed comments about free speech and not free beer.

    -> The pre-installed productivity suite is LibreOffice ... we were surprised this wasn't something more akin to modern MS Office, such as WPS Office

    Applixware disappeared a long time ago. WPS Office, I've seen it, but not preinstalled. Don't say Calligra, just don't. The last time I looked at WPS Office (the free version) there were some limitations which I can't remember. If you want the whole, unlimited suite you have to pay (which I am fine with).

    -> one far more popular than Firefox

    That is mostly the fault of Firefox for taking so many detours off its path that it forgot what its path was.

    -> Finally, Linux Lite is not a lightweight distro

    This is a common trait with a lot of Linux distros these days. It's bigger so it must be better, right?

    -> we prefer LibreOffice's traditional menus-and-toolbars user interface to the Microsoft or WPS Office ribbon interface

    Yep. The ribbon is not good.

    -> there are lighter-weight options than Linux Lite

    Linux Lite is based in New Zealand. It is one of the most obese countries in the world. Maybe it is considered light over there.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      WPS seems to be a freemium offering. PDF editing looks interesting until you see it's not in the free veersion which is presumably the one being shipped.

    2. Lorribot

      "->why not bundle Microsoft Edge for Linux

      I haven't tested it on Linux, but on Mac it did a lot of phoning back home to Microsoft"

      Unlike Chrome which is the epitome of silence and discretion.

      1. NATTtrash
        Holmes

        It pains me to say it, but I did give Edge a go on *nix. And it isn't bad. Really, it isn't. If you look past all the fancy "let's interact" social screens: "So what are you trying to do today?". FFS, FO

        I agree with Liam that the Firefox Snap is force feeding that shouldn't be allowed to exist. Then again... Chrome? Really? I'm surprised not more are going for Librewolf. After all, it's still Firefox, but it has a ppa, so no "please use me so I'm (still) relevant" Snap, install it and it's updated automagically, and... with rsync between different distros, still has compatibility between (old <22.04) ppa Firefox and (new ≥ 22.04) Librewolf for e.g. your bookmarks (places.js). Although that last one will probably be beyond the targeted users.

        1. VoiceOfTruth

          -> I'm surprised not more are going for Librewolf.

          No. Just no. For distros aimed at new Linux users, don't confuse people with this FOSS babble. People want to get stuff done, not have their hearing ruined with talk of Librewolf. What next? OnthehouseVixen?

          1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

            Hang on. Inconsistency here.

            On the one hand, you criticise MS Edge for phoning home to MS a lot.

            Then you criticise a Firefox fork that removes the times Firefox phones home to Mozilla?

  4. Lorribot

    how about full browser choice for once

    I would have thought installing Chrome, Firefox and Edge or none and and provide download options for a selection of browser from a repository and give people a free choice of who they give their browsing life to would be best route. Why do OS developers feel the need to impose their own preferences on users in this way?

    An OS should have no additional software other than that required to run the OS, a GUI and a way to install and support applications the user requires. Seems not even Linux based OSes can conform to that.

    1. VoiceOfTruth

      Re: how about full browser choice for once

      -> I would have thought installing Chrome, Firefox and Edge or none and and provide download options for a selection of browser from a repository and give people a free choice of who they give their browsing life to would be best route.

      Already creating problems for a new user. You can always fork it and make yet another tinpot distro with nothing installed, and no users either. Go ahead, make my day.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Oh no, not again....

    Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as [the new Linux distro was announced] was "Oh no, not again".

  6. david 12 Silver badge

    we were surprised this wasn't something .... such as WPS Office

    If you still have to click through the advertisement to print a page, I'm surprised any (non - Chinese) distribution uses (the free version) by default.

  7. vincent himpe

    how many more package managers do we need ?

    Why can't we have a simple setup file like on windows or mac ? Applications should be distributed with everything they need and not have to pull in a metric crapload of other stuff. they should also install in their own container and not throw their stuff everywhere or modify the system.

    To run x you need to first install y, z, q , p , r (but only 2.9 unless your kernel is 3.21.4.q.left and the wind comes from the east on a tuesday , but not in april or if the year is divisible by 5 , unless your neighbor just made a fresh cup of tea.. then it is ok to click cancel to proceed -facepalm-

    .

    There are so many flavors out there. this only runs on that, this thing only uses that package manager ... it's infuriating. Self deploying is what we need. without dependencies or prerequisites. the install package contains everything.

  8. JamesTGrant
    Thumb Up

    Interesting article, one question

    Appreciate the article and the screenshot - hadn’t heard of this distro before, learned a new thing. Qq - you say the install occupies approx 6GB - I’m wondering if that’s due to partitions created to prevent filling a partition from hosing the OS (in which case, is it light weight but with some pragmatism to protect the human user, or if there’s 6GB of ‘stuff’ - if so, what ‘stuff’? Anyway, nice article

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Interesting article, one question

      Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.

      No, there is no fancy partitioning here. In fact, on a BIOS-based VM, it created an unnecessary `bios-boot` partition followed by an equally unnecessary EFI partition. Then there is a single big root volume, without so much as a swap partition.

      No multi-partition cleverness here at all. That would be hard to achieve on the basis of Ubuntu. I have not yet investigated how Ubuntu DDE's clever partitioning works.

      1. JamesTGrant

        Re: Interesting article, one question

        Thank you for replying!

  9. LessWileyCoyote

    We're all different. I've been trying Linux distros since Slackware in, ooh, 1996-ish (30+ floppy disk install). There are quite a few I respect for their capabilities, but Linux Lite is the only one I've actually liked enough to keep installed. A good newbie-friendly forum for the distro is a plus.

    Light vs heavy depends how you measure it - I know everything Debian-based is 64-bit now, but I was able to install the 32-bit Linux Lite distro on an Eee-PC netbook a couple of years back (admittedly the hard drive had been upsized to 64GB) which made it into a perfectly functional web & email device. Not bad for something bought on a whim for £195 from Toys 'R Us. :)

    For me it's helpful that being mostly Windows and Mac based at work, there's enough similarity to what I'm already used to that I can just get on with using it.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      [Author here]

      Yep, 1st distro I tried to install on my own PC was Slackware, too.

      I failed.

      I still have that ~30Y old laptop in my mum's spare bedroom wardrobe. I should see if it still works, and try again. :-)

      Re lightness: bear in mind that there's no 32-bit version any more. What was light 5-10Y ago isn't necessarily now.

      The lightest vaguely mainstream distro for an old 32-bit PC now is the Raspberry Pi OS, and it's long overdue for an update. Maybe they haven't because some of the bits of more modern native RasPi OS (e.g. Mutter) aren't 32-bit friendly? TBH I have not looked.

      It may well have been a light offering then, but TBH, any Linux would have revived that old PC, and something like Lubuntu or Xubuntu might well have been lighter still.

  10. ud6

    Edge for Linux is Microsoft

    Reason people often want a Linux alternative to Windows is either to work on a small cpu or to avoid privacy/security issues. Obviously this isn't designed with first reason in mind, so nstalling Edge for Linux would not satisfy users concerned about privacy/security as it is still Windows.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Edge for Linux is Microsoft

      > as it is still Windows.

      It is still Microsoft, you mean?

      Yes, it is. Windows, though, no: it's a fork of Chrome. You can sign in with a Google account, it runs Chrome extensions, and so on.

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