back to article China offering ten nations help to run their cyber-defenses and networks

China has begun talking to ten nations in the South Pacific with an offer to help them improve their network infrastructure, cyber security, digital forensics and other capabilities – all with the help of Chinese tech vendors. Newswire Reuters broke the news of China’s ambitions after seeing a draft agreement that China’s …

  1. sarusa

    'helping'

    > China has begun talking to ten nations in the South Pacific with an offer to help them improve^h^h^h^h^h^h^hcompletely own their network infrastructure,

    1. Socks and Sandals
      Trollface

      Re: 'helping'

      Don’t worry, all laws and regulations will be adhered to. Chinese laws and regulations, that is.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: 'helping'

      I think you mean subsume their network infrastructure

      1. Vir_Floridanus

        Re: 'helping'

        You are not Wong

    3. Martha2030

      Re: 'helping'

      Wow nice one

    4. Martha2030

      Re: 'helping'

      We should all be looking into cybersecurity defense

  2. Potemkine! Silver badge

    A clever move from China

    maybe not such a clever move for the ones agreeing with the Chinese offer, but when the choice is between having a China-controlled network or no network at all, what is the worst? It's up to the western countries to fill the gap.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It's up to the western countries to fill the gap.

      It is not like these Pacific nations are typically ignored by e.g. either Australia or NZ. But of course China typically has a lot more money to throw at the problem; and arguably less historical baggage, so it doesn't have to tread so carefully; nor is it as likely to consider the islander's interests as being of primary importance.

  3. LazLong

    The better to raid your resources

    "...and mapping the marine environment."

    In preparation to mine your resources....

    1. Vir_Floridanus

      Re: The better to raid your resources

      You are not Wong

  4. anonymousI

    No doubt CCP's techs will be very quick and attentive - even by adding an 'interesting' range of extra gear to the installs.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Why? There is enough profit in just running the infrastructure, and if they start doing that already they won't get that many more customers. If they're offering transparency there are no real barriers to accepting this, other than the howling of Western tech companies who want to flog their wares.

      Add to that that Huawei is at present actually the only comms gear provider which has been publicly screened by the West and found to have code that may not have been upper shelf quality (opined by nations that use Windows, grin) but was confirmed to be backdoor free as opposed to the likes of Cisco, which tend to remind me of the Crypto AG affair in Switzerland and they may actually have something to sell.

      Technically and logically it's a no brainer. Ethically and politically, well, that's a whole different kettle of fish.

      1. Mahhn

        It's not about profit to china, it's about control. Currency cost is of little to no issue.

        It is public information that over 30 years ago china started their task of taking over the globe through financial means, until other resources are needed. It's been working pretty well, less those pesky westerners not always selling out.

  5. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    There are two ways of taking over a country

    One is by military force, but that has the bad habit of being poorly viewed on the international scene, and creating resistance on the local scene.

    The other is by subverting the country's economy by "helping" with infrastructure, like many of China's "donations" to Africa. Once Beijing has its claws into a strategic part of your infrastructure, you'll find that Beijing's "suggestions" are accompanied by rather obvious implications.

    This is the difference between Western politicians and Eastern politicians. In China, they play Go, in the West, they play checkers. Only one of those has long-term implications built in.

    1. Binraider Silver badge

      Re: There are two ways of taking over a country

      China is pretty good at the long game; however much we disagree with aspects of CCP policy.

      The situation in Taiwan is, however, an extremely confusing play. Sabre rattling to draw off resources diverted to a European war; or a prelude to actually trying it on?

      Para Bellum.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: There are two ways of taking over a country

      In the interest of balance I would like to observe that "help" from Western nations with, for instance, a war is also followed by a bill. AFAIK, the UK only finished paying off the WW II "help" it got from the US.

      In that context I see the US "help" to Ukraine as a ploy to establish a hold on the food supply to Europe and so re-establish a level of control over Europe that they lost after Brexit (IMHO, UK's main role in Europe was to meddle on behalf of the US, which is why the US isn't terribly supportive of UK problems post Brexit). At some point, the bill will become due.

      The Chinese merely play a longer game which isn't interrupted by political cycles, they no longer have those.

      1. Blazde

        Re: There are two ways of taking over a country

        The bill the UK paid was a tiny fraction of overall US Lend-Lease, mainly related to supplies which arrived after the end of the war and ended up being handed over on very favourable terms.

        There were a few other quid pro quos, notably so called Reverse Lend-Lease from across the British Empire, and the Tizard Mission but overall the US deployed an awful lot of resources to shore up it's European allies against Facism and subsequently against Communism in the post-war period. Of course it reaped diplomatic and strategic rewards, but that's a longer subtler game than tired tropes about control over raw materials. The US has more than enough food and oil it doesn't need to go starting or supporting wars just to get more.

      2. VoiceOfTruth

        Re: There are two ways of taking over a country

        -> In that context I see the US "help" to Ukraine as a ploy to establish a hold on the food supply to Europe

        Ukraine has already asked for debt 'forgiveness' of about $50 billion. This war, brought about not by Russia or Ukraine, but by the USA and its poodles could not have come at a better time for Ukraine. I can hear them from here: let us off the debt and we will be your poodles.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: There are two ways of taking over a country

          I'm sure Ukraine couldn't wait for the $600bn of economic damage caused by Putin's invasion, to ask for a bit of debt relief.

    3. VoiceOfTruth

      Re: There are two ways of taking over a country

      -> like many of China's "donations" to Africa

      Britain, France, Germany, and Italy all went to Africa. We plundered everything we could. It rather puts your donations-in-quotes into perspective. We don't have a toenail to stand on and point an accusing finger.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: There are two ways of taking over a country

        Who's this "we" Vlad?

  6. Plutocrat

    And while we're helping you, can we just park a couple of our ships here ...

  7. Mayday
    Alert

    Yeah

    Because I want the CCP to control my cyber security too.

  8. VoiceOfTruth

    with the help of Chinese tech vendors

    That will automatically be more secure than the American backdoor-included crap.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nice country you have there!

    It would be a shame if something happens to your network infrastructure..

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    a nice island arc there

    which could be seen as a way of isolating Australia so when and if China wants cheaper iron ore they can just mine it instead of buying. With an armed ocean perimeter to cross the remnants of the USA wont bother despite Quad, Aukus and the rest. Never happen of course. The Clinton Doctrine is just a myth

    1. Binraider Silver badge

      Re: a nice island arc there

      The Dutch had a pre-WW2 philosophy that the Chinese seem to be taking lessons from. 1000 unsinkable aircraft carriers; referring of course to the islands out there that could be turned into airbases.

      Now, I'll grant the number that are suitable for a 3000' runway is rather less; but a good number are.

      A carrier force against those is at a marked disadvantage with regards survivability.

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