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Sanctions on transfer of chipmaking tech to China might be driving more offshore chipmaking, and therefore failing to achieve strategic goals. That argument is the central theme of a policy brief titled Preserving the Chokepoints, by the Center for Security and Emerging Technology at Georgetown University. The document has no …

  1. Duncan Macdonald

    Another bully group

    Another group that says that the US should use its might to make other nations their slaves.

    150 years after the US Civil War there are still groups of Americans that want to own slaves.

    1. VoiceOfTruth

      Re: Another bully group

      Americans have a small world view. There is 'the world', meaning the USA and its footstools, and there are enemies.

      Where would the USA be without all the technology it stole?

    2. Sparkus

      And 'China'.......

      Is 300 million people living 'comfortable' lives on the back of another billion minimum wage slaves. Everyone stays in their lane, or caste, or ethnic group as approved by the party and enforced by party apparatus.

      Just a difference of scale.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @Sparkus - Re: And 'China'.......

        Gave you a down vote for the accuracy of your statement. I mean, you taking the time to count the exact 300 million people and verify their status it's quite impressing. Unless, of course, you don't know what you're talking.

    3. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: Another bully group

      eh, no. but I think you are "not wrong" about some of this, in that the U.S. is using "its might" to prevent things *LIKE* China rapidly taking over the manufacturing of integrated circuits worldwide (for example).

      I do not think national-interest goals are necessarily "bad". And I am certain they are NOT "enslavement". But the real debate should be over whether they are anti-competitive to the extent that they in any way become an oppressive domination of the world market.

      China is still welcome to develop their own tech, and eventually I expect they will, but creativity and innovation are STIFLED by a "big brother" CCP that appears to be more concerned about "social credit" than technological accomplishment.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Another bully group

        But we all rely on ASML for the machinery to make the chips, so we are all under the jack-clog of the Netherlands.

        Still at least it's not the Belgians!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @bombastic bob - Re: Another bully group

        Actually, my dear Bob, if you would take a closer look, you will see that it's the CCP that brought China where it is today. It's not that US did try to help China and the CCP hampered their efforts. I know it is difficult to swallow but their model has a lot of merit. We all know Communism was supposed to be a failure, something to show as a negative example to Western nations who might try to criticize Capitalism. CCP succeeded in proving their model is viable. In my opinion, this is what scares the hell out of the US.

        National interests are bad if it's Russia, China, Iran, Brazil and a lot of other countries (I'll let you find a common criteria) and not bad if it's us the westerners who are aligned behind a certain super-power. And what US is doing is enslavement. It may be 3.0 but is still enslavement.

        As for the social credit, it is equally appealing to Western democracies who will not hesitate to implement it. Maybe for different reasons but the end result for citizens will be the same.

    4. Snowy Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Another bully group

      Odd you should say "150 years after the US Civil War there are still groups of Americans that want to own slaves." When slavery did not end in the US with the Civil Wars but in 1942.

      If you include penal labor it could be argued that it has not ended.

  2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Funny that

    >fund the CHIPS Act to ensure more semiconductor activity returns to US soil

    An extremely right wing patriotically free-market institution thinks that only government hand outs can solve problem

  3. Snowy Silver badge
    Facepalm

    If China is so bad.

    Then why are we buying so much from them. In 2021, China exported approximately 3.36 trillion U.S. dollars worth of good.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: If China is so bad.

      Because running onshored slave labor proved uneconomical outside the cotton picking industries

      Have you tried capturing wild semiconductor engineers in West Africa and transporting them to the USA?

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: If China is so bad.

      well, labor intensive manufacturing can't be economically done at $20/hr and still maintain an affordable price on the store shelf. And for YEARS China made it TOO easy to shift manufacturing there... until there was something resembling a lock-in. It's like a lot of things with introductory prices or "free upgrades" that lock you in so that you can be monetized properly, later.

      Or, like drug dealers that give away free samples of highly addictive chemicals, KNOWING you will be back. With money.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: If China is so bad.

        They did it first by ignoring foreign patents so allowing them to build an entire industrial base on stealing Bessemer's and Watt's inventions

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: If China is so bad.

          And the US did similar before them...

          The only difference is that in the US case, it's history and in the case of China it's current affairs.

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: If China is so bad.

            That's_the_joke.jpg

      2. Version 1.0 Silver badge

        Re: If China is so bad.

        Prohibition in the US banned that sale of alcoholic beverages from 1920 to 1933 ... resulting in massive profits for the MAFIA and free whiskey for the politicians. Eventually the MAFIA was making so much money that the prohibition was retired, funding the New Deal with alcohol and other excise taxes bringing in $1.35 billion, nearly half the federal government's total revenue.

  4. martinusher Silver badge

    Democratic?

    This kind of verbiage is wearing a bit thin. The best thing that we can do with these think tanks is ignore them. Yes, they're good at putting out press releases, lobbying and whatever they're paid to do but their assumptions about what our world is like is so far off the mark it would be laughable if it didn't have real world consequences. We in the US convince ourselves that we're ruled by "democracy" in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary because we don't want to face up to the implications of what we really are. We need to 'hurt' China because its a whole lot easier, and more profitable, to work to bring China down than to bring ourselves up.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Americans...

    American totalitarianism/imperialism has no end, the whole world must play their rules, otherwise you are the enemy, and you know what happened/happens when you are on that side of the line.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Angel

    I was wondering where all the paid-for Chinese trolls had gone lately ...

    ... but I am relieved to learn that they are alive, doing well, and contributing their much sought-after opinions.

    Nothing would piss China off more than being less able to steal Western tech. And then claim in some propaganda rag that they invented it in the first place.

    Which is pretty much the only thing they're relatively good at.

  7. wiseowl

    Idealogues wearing blinders view the world through tunnel vision. The communist unutopia is brazenly undemocratic when the state is ruled by a recognizable declared dictator and his puppet clique. All resemblances to free democratic or republican practices are purely coincidental and vaporware. Practically speaking PRC citizens are slaves to the state with severely delimited choices definitely lacking customary liberties of the west. No apologies offered for bursting your collective bubbles. Perhaps living under the regime might revise your ethereal attractions.

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