Logitech Lift: Vertical mouse for those with small hands Logitech has launched a pleasing yet barkingly mad mouse called Lift, the latest in the company's line of ergonomic input devices. The Lift is a shrunken version of the MX Vertical mouse, replete with the 57° vertical angle of its bigger brother except aimed at those with smaller hands. We were given left and right-handed …
I have just tried the older and bigger vertical and found it too big to use. While I can use it, it does not feel good. My fingers cannot quite reach the middle of the scroll wheel, while on a normal mouse they get completely over it. Time to head to Amazon and see if I can get hold of one of these smaller mice.
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I tried a lot of stuff before settling on a large trackball for most things. The thing that always bothered me is the middle wheel on the larger version of this. It feels relatively cheap and is poorly positioned for actual use. On an MX Master, the wheel is so much higher quality and the placement can be forgiven as you can back off your grip. The vertical mice, however, seem to be meant to be held in such a way that puts the wheel way up your finger, or not used at all.
MS makes some ergo stuff. They have a sculpt package... the mouse is ok, but i liked the keyboard a lot. It uses an annoying proprietary dongle, but ok. The keyboard had a key fail after about 8 months though and had to be scrapped. I bought another MS ergo model and it was horrible. ymmv.
I use an ugly very ergo keyboard now. I swap between pointing devices and use keyboard only as much as possible. For traditional mice I've found the deltahub carpio to be a nice add-on. For me, at least, it was a lot of testing until I found what worked for me.
I tried one of these "upright" mice about 3 years ago, didn't get on well, it takes a bit of getting used to but a mate at the time swore by it and loved the design and found it extremely comformtable to use for long periods.
15 years ago I got serious RSI issues from using standard mice and had to have time off work, my work place paid for all sorts of rests and mice to try but it was pure chance that a visiting rep told me to switch to a thumb-trackball, problem solved immediately for just £40 ( trackball and tiny wrist rest )! I found I was putting too much pressure down on my inside wrist bone, crushing the nerves while moving mouse around and as the day wore on my arms "felt heavier" and I rested even harder on the desk, with trackballs you only move your thumb or fingers and your wrist stays in place on a smaller wrist rest.
Similar experience to you, just I've no issues with a vertical one. Vertical for work, regular for home/non-work PC. Introduces a bit of variety too. The Anker verticals are <£20 and perfectly adequate, wireless too I've put rechargeable AAAs in making it nice and heavy at the bottom and it's lasted weeks so far with these batteries (feels like months previously on the regular ones but I'd rather reuse some rechargeables lying around)
That logitech is a touch too pricey I'd say.
Similar experiences here. The vertical one might not be for gamers, but for productivity workers it's really great. Reading this though I can't suppress the thought that LogiTech is very, very late to the party. Then again, they are great at releasing wide spread press releases and marketing doing a bit of "influencing". These kind of mice are certainly not new. We have been using similar already for 10+ years. And I agree on the Logitech price. You can pick them up new from e.g. CSL, Anker, or a generic wireless one on FleaBay for € 5-15 brand new. Which work without a hitch for decades.
I used a larger one, the Logitech MX Ergo Plus. Nice and heavy design, could tilt to allow for a different angle. Really tried loving it. But in the end, dunno why, had to clean the inside rollers at least once a day. Guess my paws are dirt magnets! So back to the regular mouse it is.
I have been using cheap Anker upright mice for several years now. They sorted my wrist pain almost instantly, I'd never go back to a normal mouse again. Over the years I'd tried trackballs, trackpads and even pen / graphic tablets. The pen and tablet was actually really good for the pain, but it was not as efficient as using a mouse.
The main issue with the Anker mice is that the buttons and scroll wheel fail after a couple of years (cheap parts!). So I've been through four already, sometimes taking it apart and moving microswitches from the buttons I don't use into the main button positions to make it last longer. However, they can be picked up for as little as £11.99 if you look hard enough, so I've always just purchased them as all other proper upright offerings were £100 or more (I don't like the Microsoft ergo mouse - doesn't feel that ergonomic to me). It would take the best part of 10 years before it was better value to spend the £100+ and there's no guarantee those high priced mice would last that long anyway.
Now that this is at a better price, I may consider it. I don't have massive hands, so it might work for me. Will need to check it out first though.
I use a KINESIS DXT mouse since one year ago. (Woke up screaming suddenly one night the carpal tunnel was so bad, then had to wait more than two months for the surgery cuz COVID).
It is an odder design than those you've seen, perhaps because expressly designed to switch between hands instantly. It is much more vertical in order to fit either hand. You just flip a switch in the base. The hand therapist regularly switched between hands each time she used her portable.
Uses bluetooth in use and recharges with a USB cable whenever I remember to do that. Haven't run it down yet.
The only caveat is the design both vertical and light means that it is easy to knock over with a clumsy attempt to grasp it. It might then roll around on the buttons for a rollicking good time with unintended effects. Even so, its lightness is greatly appreciated and keeping my wrists off the desk is well done by this design. No more screaming for me!
I had some strain issues in my arm and thought I'd give a vertical mouse a go. Grabbed a $25 one off a random eBay Chinese tat trader and pain was gone within 5 minutes. Yeah takes a bit of getting used to, but well worth it. Bought an MX Vertical for the other desk and for a bit more of a quality feel, but truth be told I kinda prefer the cheaper one.
Missus went for an Evoluent one. 200 dollarbucks for a wired mouse in shiny, sweat-magnet plastic and it feels like a $5 one. She does a lot of CAD and graphics shit so I think she likes the extra buttons. Or something.
One thing to watch for if you're thinking of vertical mouse is the extra height. It's all too easy to send them scuttling across the desk at great speed as you move your hand around/over the desk reaching for something.
If you have large hands, the options for ergonomic mice are REALLY limited. I used a Posturite Penguin Large through most of Covid and it helped, but since Posturite decided to go for cheap manufacturing they have several faults that get more and more irritating, the worst of which is the tendency to go to sleep quite quickly (on a wired mouse? WTF?) and then require a fairly violent move and 2-3 secs to wake up. It's a shame as the ergonomics of the Penguin are absolutely spot on, especially if you have 5XL spade-hands like me. I have an older Penguin Large in the office and that has none of these problems so at some point they changed their manufacturing. The best mouse I ever found was the original Logitech MX518. It's big enough and weighty enough to feel positive but the lack of strain relief on the cable meant it died earlier this year after 10+ years valiant service. I tried the "new" MX518 and it feels flimsy and cheap. For now I have ended up with a G502 Hero which while it has it's issues (could do with being 1" wider), is at least well built and with all the weights added feels solid. I have had to disable most of the extra buttons though.
So, in conclusion, more LARGE HAND options please in both mice and vertical mice, and if you hit upon a successful design (MX518/Penguin) DON'T f*** with the design or manufacturing.
It's great that the battery is replaceable and lasts two years, but are the switches and springs any more robust, than in any of their recent offerings? I'm sick and tired of spending good money after bad on Logitech mice! Their keybpard and mouse hardware and software work wonderfullu, while the hardware lasts... and that of late, hasn't been for very long IMHO. I now use one of their ancient trackballs and it has lasted so far, about four times as long, as the M570 that I normally completely waste my money on.
Logitech makes crap products today, they're no longer the Logitech from circa 2000. Even worse is that they redesign their products and keep the same model numbers. To me they've become scum tier hardware. If you need a cheap $20 keyboard and mouse, they should be your goto but, if you need something reliable... stay far away.
I use their older red ball thumb based trackball but, there's literally nothing they make today that I would recommend to anyone. I think the lack of competition is what turned them into crapware. However, since about 1997 I think they've bought every design they release "new" and haven't made a damn thing themselves.
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