As far as I could tell from the few I saw abroad, they're a double ripoff. First of all, their exchange rates were about as much of a ripoff as currency exchanges inside transport hubs like trainstations and airports, and secondly, well, it's crypto.
Cryptocurrency ATMs illegal right now in UK
All cryptocurrency ATMs are operating illegally in the UK and must be shut down now, the nation's Financial Conduct Authority said in an alert on Friday. Terminals accepting or dispensing crypto-coins in the country must be registered with the watchdog to make sure they comply with Blighty's Money Laundering Regulations (MLR …
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Saturday 12th March 2022 10:26 GMT 89724102172714182892114I7551670349743096734346773478647892349863592355648544996312855148587659264921
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Saturday 12th March 2022 16:16 GMT RegGuy1
Quite. We can't have a monetary system that isn't controlled by the powers that be. Crypto was created expressly to ensure you could buy the things you wanted (weed, mainly) without the encumbrance of the state telling you that it's just not on, being able to do what YOU want to do.
Oh no. We have to have controls somewhere, you know. I mean, what would happen if this were to catch on and everyone could do this? We'd have holes in the wall.
Oh wait...
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Sunday 13th March 2022 07:56 GMT dafe
Have you heard of cash money? It is anonymous, difficult to trace, widely accepted, easy to carry.
Crypto is inherently traceable, which wallets holds which coins, not just what amounts but the individual, unique, items, is public record, so every transaction is also visible to anyone who cares to look.
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Monday 14th March 2022 06:57 GMT Steve Davies 3
re cash : easy to carry
Watch out if you are carrying even $500 in parts of the USA. Get stopped for something like speeding, driving too slowly, being black, and you could lose all your cash even if you have proof that you came by it legally due to 'Civil Asset Forfeiture. The Local PD takes the cash, sends it to the DEA and gets back around 80-90% of clean legal money...
A nice earner for the PD and the person losing the $$$ has to sue the DEA and prove that it wasn't illegally obtained or the proceeds of drug pushing/trafficking.
That costs money and... oh yes, you have lost it.
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Monday 14th March 2022 11:27 GMT Steve Davies 3
Re: where did you hear THIS myth, exactly?
Please look at the Youtube channel 'Lehto's Law'. The guy presenting it is an attorney in Michigan. He has covered a number of cases where this actually happened from a traffic stop.
In one case, A serving soldier was stopped on a spurious traffic charge and lost the several thousand $$$ that he was carrying to give to his daughter. The cops had no 'just cause' to search his car but they did.
It is not a myth but the upside is that some states are outlawing this practice.
Then, of course, you could google 'civil asset forfeiture'. It is not a myth BB. Far from it.
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Sunday 13th March 2022 10:40 GMT anthonyhegedus
Crypto might as well have been invented expressly to keep the ransomware industry going. I think because that appears to be its main real-world application, any jurisdiction worth its salt should make its use illegal. Then nobody will be able to buy the sodding things and the ransomware people will have nowhere to get their money from.
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Sunday 13th March 2022 21:02 GMT doublelayer
Ransomware didn't come into existence when cryptocurrency did. The small outfits might shut down without it as a cash flow mechanism, but the big ones that regularly get massive payments will find an alternative. Making payment of the ransom illegal is as if not more likely to put them out of business (some will still pay and break the law, but fewer).
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Monday 14th March 2022 09:46 GMT bombastic bob
at some point they could require payment through some other means, such as pre-paid credit cards, and then "launder" the funds in the usual ways. SOME criminals might be caught if bitcoin were not used for the transfer of funds, and SOME money laundering schemes might lead to arrests, but nothing would actually change, with OR without bitcoin.
(you could even use diamonds as currency, kinda like Klaatu in "The day the earth stood still")
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Saturday 12th March 2022 11:45 GMT amanfromMars 1
Hello Mein Herr Goose, Meet Frau Gander?
How legal and regulated and safe be your money in these new banking/laundry facilities? .....
Eaton Square in Belgravia is one of the most high-profile addresses in London. It is lined with gleaming white 19th century porticoed townhouses, four to five stories high, which sell for upwards of £54 million. Buckingham Palace is down the road.
But according to Companies House, the official register of UK firms, it also has the greatest concentration of banks in the country with more than 30 registered (incorporated) since January last year, many next door to each other.
And it is not the only area that bankers appear to want to set up a business. A few streets away there is a cluster on Gloucester Street in Pimlico. Lennox Gardens in Chelsea is also a popular location. There are about 200 banks with addresses ..... blah blah blah bla .....https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/on-the-trail-of-britains-400-fake-banks-r3dxxvc55
London does though have an unfortunate, although apparently richly deserved reputation for self serving duplicitous behaviour/tendentious hypocrisy/arrogant hubris, so such news should not be any great surprise .... nor the fact that they are enabled to survive and prosper and escape investigation and sanction should they be right bloody dodgy and not conducive to the greater good of all.
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Monday 14th March 2022 05:47 GMT amanfromMars 1
Re: Hello Mein Herr Goose, Meet Frau Gander?
Oops, Crikey .... indeed so I have, inadvertently sex-swapped your geese, AC. Well spotted, Sir and/or Madam/They. I apologise unreservedly for that unintentional wokeism.
It’s a jolly good show such a conversion/reversion/transformation in humans and creatures is never inadvertent. Can you imagine the confusion and chaos, madness and mayhem in the ignorant such as would result would cause?
Too much novel information, brain overload, binary operating systems malfunction and fail .... :-)
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Saturday 12th March 2022 19:43 GMT Henry Wertz 1
FCA equipment approval
I guess one question is, for those who have registered, does their equipment not have FCA equipment approval because it is actually not meeting some technical or other standard? Or is this just FCA playing the game of just indefinitely sitting on applications because, per existing rules, they should be approved and they don't want to?
Don't get me wrong, I think crypto ATMs are daft. But I'm also not a fan of regulators sitting on applications because they want to effectively ban something without bothering to change the rules to do so.
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Sunday 13th March 2022 08:16 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: are unregulated and high-risk
Those investments are tied to the real economy though, and have real-life consequences like hostile take-overs and people being evicted from their own homes when the winners chash in their chips. (Which is why speculation on food futures is not allowed anymore.)
With crypto, people only lose their money.
However, crypto is not regulated, which means that people will lose not only due to bad luck, but also due to cheating, software bugs, or outright theft. How can you reliably hide your stash from the tax men when some "autist" steals your savings with a cleverly crafted smart contract?
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Sunday 13th March 2022 09:54 GMT amanfromMars 1
And ... it's gone.* <s>Stolen</s>Transferred into A.N.Others' Account, just as simple as that.
However, crypto is not regulated, which means that people will lose not only due to bad luck, but also due to cheating, software bugs, or outright theft. ..... Anonymous Coward
Is the converse/obverse/opposite of that statement, AC, that fiat and regular wealth IS regulated, and people will not lose only due to bad luck, nor by cheating, software bugs, or outright theft?
I can imagine those who have been labelled Russian oligarchs would disagree fundamentally with that and consider it misinformation/disinformation.
And the law in all of its wigged glory is surely in something of an unfortunate quandary due to its noticeable absence and media silence in such recent proceedings.
* ...... https://youtu.be/-DT7bX-B1Mg
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Sunday 13th March 2022 21:59 GMT heyrick
Re: are unregulated and high-risk
"but also due to cheating, software bugs, or outright theft"
Hmm, cheating? The Libor scandal?
Software bugs? Wasn't there one that did something like a billion bad transactions in a minute and nearly cratered the stock exchange?
Outright theft? In less regulated places, it might be worth checking bank statements carefully. Sometimes a number of hidden charges turn up. Not to mention degrees of unwillingness to admit to fraud, something they call "sweeping", and also closing supposedly dormant accounts (and keeping the money). Sometimes just closing accounts, but they won't say why "because security reasons" and you may or may not see the money which may or may not be after unexplained internal investigations that may or may not take forever (PayPal is notorious for this, but they aren't a real bank).
You're more likely to get screwed by crypto, certainly, but please don't portray the legitimate banking system as saints. They aren't. They're a necessary (in our capitalist world) evil.
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Monday 14th March 2022 12:38 GMT Ogi
Re: are unregulated and high-risk
> The value of your investments can go down as well as up
Very true. I was using one of those real estate investment trusts to save up money for a deposit. They had FCA accreditation, tax-free ISA's, were recommended by newspapers, media etc... as a way to boost your interest rate tax free for a future home.
Fat good it did when they went under half way through covid. Out of the tens of thousands I had saved up for my mortgage, they have so far returned around £400, the rest is "attempting to be recovered", but could be up to 5 years before they finish, with no guarantee how much I will get back.
Ironically enough, my BTC has outperformed my "regulated" savings by a wide margin, even with the ~30% haircut in the last few months.
In my case, I "hedged" by having some savings in BTC and some in ISAs etc... so I didn't lose everything, but my goal of a place of my own have been set back a few years.
Just goes to show that just because something is approved and regulated by the FCA, does not mean you don't have a risk of loss of your savings, especially when there are market shocks (first covid, and now the latest geopolitical events). Things are definitely volatile right now.
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Sunday 13th March 2022 11:29 GMT John Brown (no body)
or "face further action."????
The FCA warned them to shut down their machines or "face further action."
Shirley, by definition, all crypto ATM operators should be facing further action, whether they already shut up shop or are still operating. They are illegal under current legislation, therefore the operators were, and in some case still are, breaking the law. Ignorance is no excuse, we are constantly told.