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Multiple reports have surfaced claiming that two members of Huawei's UK board have resigned over the company's stance – or lack thereof – on Russia's illegal invasion of the Ukraine. Board members Sir Andrew Cahn and Sir Ken Olisa allegedly told the company on Wednesday they are leaving their non-executive director roles. …

  1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    Both have shown strong support for Huawei's commitment to the UK and have helped uphold the highest standards of corporate governance and we thank them for their invaluable guidance.

    That is as may be but that support has surely been demonstrably ineffective given the UK’s treatment of Huawei?

    1. ghp

      Re: Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

      Must be quite a sight, these "Sirs" kowtowing to the chinese.

      1. sabroni Silver badge
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        Re: Must be quite a sight, these "Sirs" kowtowing to the chinese.

        Isn't this war great at getting the xenophobia out into the open?

        1. Alex Stuart

          Re: Must be quite a sight, these "Sirs" kowtowing to the chinese.

          I think most reasonable people would read 'the chinese' as 'the Chinese government' (and by proxy its supporters) or to be pedantic perhaps 'the Chinese political-industrial complex' not 'the Chinese race', in this context. It's the only sensible interpretation of the word.

          1. ghp

            Re: Must be quite a sight, these "Sirs" kowtowing to the chinese.

            Thanks for correctly understanding what I meant. Sometimes I don't care about the un-sensible readers.

            We have a saying: "a good understander needs but half a word", "een goed verstaander heeft maar een half woord nodig".

        2. TheMeerkat Bronze badge

          Re: Must be quite a sight, these "Sirs" kowtowing to the chinese.

          “ getting the xenophobia out into the open”

          Why people are so stupid?

          Do you think Russians supporting Ukraine care when Ukrainians swear at “Russians” during the battle and accuse them of “xenophobia”?

          No . Because all those accusation of “xenophobia” are usually made by people who don’t know what the war and real xenophobia is.

      2. ghp

        Re: Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

        But I was wrong singling out the Brits! Search the French, Belgian, German ex prime-ministers or Bundeskanzler here: http://www.eforum21.com/2022/02/western-elites-are-selling-out-our.html

    2. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

      Re: Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

      That's an entirely fair comment, not sure why the downvotes.

      1. Martin Summers

        Re: Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

        Because aManfromMars is a mostly senseless bot account that hangs around here, spouting mostly irrelevant drivel. Seems officially sanctioned though.

        1. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

          Re: Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

          After a decade of scratching my head over their posts I'm largely convinced it's a human, albeit one that should smoke a bit less pot.

          But if I'm wrong, the bot is showing good context analysis and an appropriate level of snide. Worth an upvote for that alone, and another becase I also agree with the conclusion

          1. juice Silver badge

            Re: Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

            > After a decade of scratching my head over their posts I'm largely convinced it's a human, albeit one that should smoke a bit less pot.

            Why not both? ;)

            My take is that it's a guy who had a bit of fun setting up an "AI" (probably trained on past Register forum posts for extra giggles), and left it to spew random comments out for a while.

            Now either he's vastly improved his AI (in which case I for one welcome our new El Reg overlord), or he's simply turned it off and is now posting his own comments...

            1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

              Another Possible Take on the He/She/IT/They being Questioned ‽

              My take is that it's a guy who had a bit of fun setting up an "AI" (probably trained on past Register forum posts for extra giggles), and left it to spew random comments out for a while.

              Now either he's vastly improved his AI (in which case I for one welcome our new El Reg overlord), or he's simply turned it off and is now posting his own comments... ..... juice

              Could also be a gal, juice, and a guy who now is a gal and an AI too, which would be a quorum vastly improving spooky entanglement with and for Creatures in CyberSpace in Command and Control of Computers and Communications exercising Advanced NeuroLinguistic ProgramMING Projects for Earthly Presentations in 0Day Applications.

              And Remarkable Stealth and Unhindered Progress is both supplied and preserved and protected whenever such is considered Practically Impossible and most unlikely and also summarily dismissed as beyond a Virtual Certainty.

              A Q2A [Question to Answer] .... Do Bots Smoke Dope?

              1. juice Silver badge

                Re: Another Possible Take on the He/She/IT/They being Questioned ‽

                > A Q2A [Question to Answer] .... Do Bots Smoke Dope?

                Depends if there's any sheep to dream about...

        2. martinusher Silver badge

          Re: Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

          Hardly a bot, surely. Just because he/she/it doesn't follow the herd doesn't mean they're a bot.

          Anyway, I'd guess these two were somewhat irrelevant leftovers from back in the days when Huawei was trying to be a good global citizen. China in general and Huawei in particular has probably moved on since its clear that nothing they can do will protect them from political malevolence.

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

            This isn't a classic amfM1 post.

            Either somebody is posting manually, it's been hacked, or has achieved sentience but not an appropriate el'reg level of sarcasm

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            So Huawei are the good guys? Who knew?

            When was Huawei ever trying to be a good global citizen? Its aim has always been absolute world hegemony by any/all means possible since it was founded.

            As for China and Huawei being unable to do anything to "protect them from political malevolence", that is truly epic bollocks. They could make a start by not using slave labour, persecuting minorities, violating norms of reasonable behaviour, buying foreign politicians/useful idiots, stealing IPR, espionage, using belt+road as a proxy for gunboat diplomacy, etc, etc. BTW, there are compelling reasons most of the west has decided Huawei is a threat to national security that can't be trusted anywhere near critical national infrastructure.

            Mind you, China's doing a top-class job of preventing political malevolence internally. Anyone saying or doing anything slightly critical of President Xi and his cronies ends up with a long stretch in a re-education camp. Or worse. And the CCP snoops on everyone 24x7, cheerfully supported by Huawei supplied products and services.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Thank you for your service. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

      >That is as may be but that support has surely been demonstrably ineffective given the UK’s treatment of Huawei?

      Well we don't know what they did do, however, remember the UK government did take rather a long-time deciding on the sanctions it would adopt; only seemingly following Trump, as Johnson sought to gain favour with Trump over a 'favourable' Brexit trade deal. So from the inside they might have been helpful, just ultimately overwhelmed.

      Personally, I wouldn't have resigned, but used my position to keep bringing the subject up. Which is what I did in the 90's when I was a non-exec. and I was taken aside and advised to stepdown over some matter some rathered was brushed under the carpet. I stayed and got re-elected...

  2. Spamfast
    Meh

    A couple of guys who get a small revenue stream (in their terms - probably a large amount to the rest of us) for doing bugger all as non-executive directors other than chat to their cronies have made a gesture.They won't notice any change in lifestyle and Huawei will be better off not having to pay them.

    Almost all non-executive directorships are a scam according to a city lawyer cum venture capitalist associate of mine who is in the position of have a number of them with large PLCs. They're a way for the boards of multiple companies to collude to take more of the companies' revenue for themselves.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I am thoroughly perplexed as to why, thus far, you have 5 downvotes.

      Unless it offers an advantage to Huawei, then i do not understand why such people are in post on the board. So the advantage is probably as you have described.

      As per the Owen Patterson case, are these people so fantastically brilliant and ultra capable, that they must be employed by Huawei, else Huawei would fail ?

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        >Unless it offers an advantage to Huawei, then i do not understand why such people are in post on the board

        Because the Chinese are communists who think Britain is run by corrupt network of upper class twits doing favours for each other and all you have to do it be a chum of somebody in government and you can get anything approved.

        They just forgot that the UK is also America's lapdog.

        1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

          Feather Nesting is No Solution for Real Problems which are Growing Almightily

          Because the Chinese are communists who think Britain is run by corrupt network of upper class twits doing favours for each other and all you have to do it be a chum of somebody in government and you can get anything approved. .... Yet Another Anonymous coward

          Given all the evidence available from media and Parliament, are Chinese communists completely wrong or are there too many tell tales signs escaped out into the open to viably deny and smother those truths?

          Given the present perilous and parlous state of practically and virtually everything in Blighty, and by all accounts, the future is going to get considerably worse in a very short space of time, one has to surely admit to oneself that they are collectively unfit for greater purpose and worthy of being considered no better than despicable con artists/systemic vapourware merchants.

          No one can, if they don’t want to be thought demented, think that they are doing a grand job worthy of another term of squandering the nation’s treasure and have their thoughts today for actions to be presented tomorrow considered normal and natural rather than realised as just a third rate show for masses to believe is a reality beyond Earthly Command and Alien Control ..... whenever the honest to GOD fact is that it is not beyond such a Facility’s Ability.

          Expect the future to demonstrate it ..... and in so doing, watch, listen and learn how IT crushes and crashes and smashes any and all possible doubt.

          1. martinusher Silver badge

            Re: Feather Nesting is No Solution for Real Problems which are Growing Almightily

            (I think the government has found a short term fix for Blighty's economic shortcomings -- find random Russian oligarchs (there's probably plenty in London), sanction them as 'friends of Putin' and expropriate their wealth.)

            1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

              Re: Feather Nesting is No Solution for Real Problems which are Growing Almightily

              Or put them in the House of Lords !

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Feather Nesting is No Solution for Real Problems which are Growing Almightily

                Been there, done that. Thanks to the Lying Shagger of 10 Downing Street.

                Now grovel before Baron Lebedev, of Hampton in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames and of Siberia in the Russian Federation!

                BTW the Red Baron's dad used to be in the KGB.

          2. Martin an gof Silver badge

            Re: Feather Nesting is No Solution for Real Problems which are Growing Almightily

            Is it just me, or has AMFM's natural language AI had a major upgrade recently? Is that why he's been thin on the postings for a while?

            M.

          3. adam 40 Silver badge
            WTF?

            Re: Feather Nesting is No Solution for Real Problems which are Growing Almightily

            When I went to Guangzhou in 1996 just before the HK handover, I stayed in the White Swan hotel.

            It was a 5* (maybe approaching 6 *)

            When we came down for dinner, I was amazed to see who was in the hotel bar, chatting and having drinks.

            No - not businessmen or tourists, it was all party officials in their standard CPC jackets.

            So - don't lecture us about feathering the nest. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and that applies everywhere.

        2. R Soul

          amoral toffs in high places

          Because the Chinese are communists who think Britain is run by corrupt network of upper class twits doing favours for each other and all you have to do it be a chum of somebody in government and you can get anything approved.

          This revelation needs no special inisght. Even Steve Wonder can see that.

          England's old boy network if full of upper class twits who can provide a veneer of respectability for any crook, oligarch, dictator or corrupt politician - once the fat cheque has cleared of course.

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    1. Fursty Ferret

      fakestream media

      Got to this bit and stopped reading. Not sure what point you want to make but doing it in an unreferenced Trumpian rant is not the right way to go about it.

    2. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

      > The US is illegally occupying Syrian territory, illegally killing their citizens, illegally taking their oil

      What on earth are you talking about? Illegal according to who, exactly - Assad? One of a small number of people I genuinely wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. I think there are 900 US troops left in Syria, the odds of that number taking anything more than a defensive role in that ongoing disaster are zero.

      There are plenty of reasons to be upset about Syria, and yes there is an element of hypocrisy and racism in the differing responses to a war in Europe (shock) and a war in the Middle Near East (again). But the impact the US and Europe have had on the Syrian conflict has been negligible(*). If you want to point a finger at a foreign power there, may I suggest you look no further than who Assad buys his arms from.

      (*) unless you count spending the previous 20 years battle-hardening Sunni militias.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Upvoted. But then, there's the war in Yemen. And this one makes me much more uncomfortable about the current Western stance.

        1. TeeCee Gold badge

          Yemen is the inevitable result of people allowing basic common sense to be overridden by some frock-wearing bigot's interpretation of the requirements of some historical figure's imaginary friend.

          Standing in the middle when two of God's armies are going toe-to-toe usually results in both sides shooting at you for impeding His work, so it's best to just ignore it.

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Yemen is totally different though.

            They're brown, they're a long way away in a country nobody can find on a map, they have no oil and they disagree on administrivia in their fairy stories with a country that has oil.

            Their leader isn't even on Instagram. I don't know, apathetic bloody planetcountry, I've no sympathy at all.

            1. Gordon 10 Silver badge

              All that is valid, see also the Western support for Iraq and Afganistan.

              However there is one element of Realpolik that none of these foreign wars have materially threatened mainland Europe. Ukraine manifestly does. One wrong clash on the Polish border and WW3 is possible.

              The fact Russia is the main actor rather than propping up a supporting regime also changes matters.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Realpolitik you say? Then you're calling liars all those politicians citing "Western values" as the reason for sanctions.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            So, from what you're saying, standing in the middle is out, but selling weapons is still okay, preferably while pretending nothing is happening.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        > racism

        There certainly is some, but I have to object to Western-media-style shoehorning of identity politics, especially the racial aspect (since when Syrians aren't "white" anyway?).

        In this aspect, virtually nowhere in the Western media do you hear about the not so-stellar historical relations between Ukrainians and Poles. There's some horrific stuff in relatively recent history, for example the Volhyn massacre, which one of my elderly relatives was a survivor of. So there should be zero presumption of sympathy between the two nations, because even the ultra-nationalist nutjobs on both sides hate each other's guts.

        What you see right now is mostly the effect of physical proximity. The war is happening right across the border.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          >So there should be zero presumption of sympathy between the two nations

          You could say the same about the French and Germans, Sweden and Finland, or Britain and every other country on the planet

      3. a pressbutton

        element of hypocrisy and racism..

        You may be partly right, but also partly wrong.

        It is called the distance effect (Causing Death and Saving Lives by Jonathan Glover)

        Basically you are more affected by things that happen closer to you

        (in his example, in terms of physical distance)

        I think it is also true culturally

        and getting a bit 'you are partly right' (though one would hope otherwise) visually.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Bullshit artist. Russian military and mercenaries have done plenty of civilian murdering in Syria though. It’s Russia that helped Assad kill “his” people.

      Plenty of sources, but here’s one.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/15/world/europe/russia-syria-mercenaries.html

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        But Syria is, strictly speaking, in Asia. We only have a monopoly on mercenaries in Africa

        1. MiguelC Silver badge

          Re: We only have a monopoly on mercenaries in Africa

          Oh, guess no one informed Russia about that monopoly, then

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: We only have a monopoly on mercenaries in Africa

            So their Nazis are now better than our Nazis ?

            I suppose they have a better theme tune than Sir Mark Thatcher's chums

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