back to article Hong Kong Watch says its website suddenly can't be seen in Hong Kong

The website of UK-registered charity Hong Kong Watch – an organisation dedicated to researching and monitoring threats to the territory's promised freedom and autonomy – has suddenly become impossible to reach from Hong Kong. The charity on Monday posted news of the blockage, and alleged DNS tampering. A friend of The …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "Despite being unenforceable outside Hong Kong, it is applied across the planet"

    Ah, so they have the USA approach to law. Good for them.

    In any case, I note that "The exodus from Hong Kong to Singapore is well underway ", which is perfectly normal.

    Yes, Hong Kong will become just another Chinese city. Yes, the Great Internet Firewall will be thoroughly applied. Yes, anyone with any sense of freedom and a smidgen of intelligence should get the hell out of there while they can.

    There might still be money to make in Hong Kong, but it will be under Beijing's full control. Your choice.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "Despite being unenforceable outside Hong Kong, it is applied across the planet"

      Thumbs up if you will miss getting drunk in Lan Kwai Fong...

      1. Richard Crossley

        Re: "Despite being unenforceable outside Hong Kong, it is applied across the planet"

        Haven't been able to do that for a few weeks now, bars closed, restaurants closed after 6pm

    2. PhilipN

      Exodus to Singapore

      Not just not normal, it is nonsense.

      1. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Paris Hilton

        Re: Exodus to Singapore

        Please explain why it is nonsense? It makes sense to me that people might flee the advance of totalitarian rule..

        Not wishing to watch a youtube, I'm not sure what Hamsters have to do with it though..

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Exodus to Singapore

          My understanding is that Singapore is not very much better in terms of rights etc.

          Singapore sends people to prison for preaching pacifism, so I don't know what else they do. It doesn't seem to be "free speech" by Western standards.

          Leaving Hong Kong for Singapore seems to me to be "right idea but wrong destination"

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Exodus to Singapore

            Singapore is a Western-friendly authoritarian government, which seems to be enough to get less in the news.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Exodus to Singapore

            Like CCP China, Singapore does indeed suppress and punish a lot of things Westerners hold dear.

            The difference is that Singapore is a nation with rule of law, and a very low level of corruption. That is, if you're convicted in Singapore, it's likely because you've broken a law of the land, that has been legislated, known and communicated publicly beforehand.

            On the other hand, CCP-run mainland China is well known for the prevalence of bribery, corruption, and arbitrary political detention - particularly of business leaders and foreign citizens. So, as the CCP gains more control over Hong Kong, the city's perception - and reality - of being a society with rule of law must be brought into ever greater question.

        2. martinusher Silver badge

          Re: Exodus to Singapore

          > I'm not sure what Hamsters have to do with it though.

          Hamsters were identified as a likely Covid disease vector so the response to this news was "kill them all".

          (You don't usually see this sort of thing with cuddly pets, its usually reserved for poultry and cattle.)

        3. PhilipN

          Re: Exodus to Singapore

          Plain wrong is why.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "Despite being unenforceable outside Hong Kong, it is applied across the planet"

      It'd have been nice if the UK had granted British citizenship to Hong Kong people during the 150 years they kept it as a colony. It would have made it easier.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "Despite being unenforceable outside Hong Kong, it is applied across the planet"

        Many people in HK have British National Overseas passports, but that didn't provide right of abode (although recently the rules have been changed a bit)

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Can we clarify what is happening, and specifically, what "CMHK (at 172.20.10.1:53)" is? Because that's an RFC1918 private address, not a public one.

    I always like to see actual examples of what has been tested and what were the results, if only to understand what being done technically (and how to avoid it if needed).

    ElReg being a technical website, it wouldn't hurt to investigate the technical side of things more than the Daily Mail does.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      CMHK address

      Having a DNS server in the private IP space probably means you can reach it only from that ISP's network.

      I checked the other IP address and it does not respond to queries from the UK. Which is hardly surprising for an ISP DNS server that is meant for their own subscribers only.

    2. Allan George Dyer Silver badge

      CMHK and PCCW are two of the biggest ISPs in HK.

  3. Potemkine! Silver badge
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    Homo homini lupus est

    Our Elites made China strong by exporting many of our industrial jobs there, mostly because of greed. Now China has a firm hand on the balls of many western countries, who wouldn't dare to make a move against the Red Tyrant because they are dependent of it. China can crush HK, nobody will move.

    These Elites were and will never be accountable for this. They became richer by making western workers poorer and exploiting the misery of Chinese peasants transformed into industrial slaves. That's sad for you HK, but you'll be totally fucked in the end, it's just a matter of time.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Homo homini lupus est

      That's sad for you HK, but you'll be totally fucked in the end, it's just a matter of time.

      Its not just HK that will be f**ked. Citizens of any democracy that vote in a right wing government suffer exactly the same fate. Modern elections are predicated on voting out the "intellectual elite" but this is just a scam by the wealthy elite to grab themselves an even bigger share of the nations GDP. We politely call it chumocracy but in reality it is corruption, pure and simple.

      It is no accident that that public bodies such as libraries and museums, are closing everywhere and the NHS can no longer cope with their waiting lists. Government is saying they give ever more money to the NHS, but behind the scenes they force the NHS to hand it over to private health care companies. During the pandemic the NHS was forced to hand over £0.7Bn just in case private beds were needed and if they had been, they would have had to pay again.

      1. deadlockvictim

        Re: Homo homini lupus est

        AC» Citizens of any democracy that vote in a right wing government suffer exactly the same fate.

        Are saying the citizens of any democracy that vote in a non-right wing government will be spared?

        How do you define right-wing or left-wing?

        Does Sweden have a right-wing government? Compared to whom exactly?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Homo homini lupus est

      Well... to be fair, exporting the jobs to China pulled a lot of people there out of poverty. For a long time the CCP were being reasonably, but without some kind of public vote, it's a bit of a crapshoot as to where the politicians will go...

  4. PhilipN

    “The exodus from Hong Kong to Singapore … “

    Says the head of their Singapore office.

    1. PhilipN

      Re: “The exodus from Hong Kong to Singapore … “

      6 McClarty staff following up on their free publicity,

      I do not know anyone or any business who or which has or have moved from HK to Singapore. I do not know anyone who knows anyone who has moved from HK to Singapore. And that is a fact.

  5. Martin Summers

    I'm not entirely sure why they seem so surprised by this...

  6. Allan George Dyer Silver badge
    Boffin

    Time to run your own DNS

    The sites are reachable from HK if you run your own DNS. At least, at the moment.

    1. Richard Crossley
      Boffin

      Re: Time to run your own DNS

      Yes just tested that. I run my own which then hits services elsewhere in the world. Switching from wifi to cell service which doesn't use my own DNS illustrated the block.

      Running own DNS, will that be an NSL crime?

      1. martinusher Silver badge

        Re: Time to run your own DNS

        You can just type in a numerical address.

      2. Allan George Dyer Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Time to run your own DNS

        Well, it appears that a blue laser pointer with no batteries is not an offensive weapon, so maybe sanity will prevail (but asking an off-duty cop for his warrant card is resisting arrest, so who knows?).

        DoH is also an option.

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